Nepe published some links to

FreeNepal.org and LiberalDemocracyNepal.org

I went LiberalDemocracyNepal.org, and they don't have
dynamic posting methods i.e. if you want to put your
opinion they won't let you do it by yourself. You you
have to either go through the moderator or keep silence.
It is the funny part. They call their website is dedicated
to liberal democracy (udarbadi loktantra), but they
are scared in letting people to put their opinion freely.
What kind of liberal democracy they want to bring?
Girija Tantra type, where you can criticize others
for not letting what you want to do, but within your
own Nepali Congress Party the same rule does not apply.

Liberal Democracy Nepal people don't want to have liberal
democracy within their own discussion forum
(i.e. google's liberaldemocracynepal discussion group
owned by the same people). It is our Nepali feudal mentality
we want democracy for our closed group only and call
it as democracy to people, while we keep on controling
the rest of the people. My question to them is that why
should they control the flow of ideas through the moderator?
If they can not open their discussion forum for public, then
how can we assure that they are for real genuine liberal
democracy in Nepal?

God Bless them.

Spokesperson for
eNepali Congress Party.
(newly reNamed: we are searching for a good representing
name: thats called keep on moving? Having fun in name.
K garne Naming requires intutive capabilities and we are
looking for our members to try intutive names. So, we
tried 10s of names..... Anyway, its not registered yet
with public officials, so lets keep on trying.... Statistically,
and probabilistically e.g. half rule, you will finally find
a good name in due time. I am wondering whether we
need to put eNepali National Congress Party or
eNepali Liberal Congress Party).

dc_girl,

Here are the titles of the latest threads running at nepaldemocracy@googlegroups.com. Hope they manage to attract you. . .


*Editorial in today's Kantipur
*Nepal: Managing A Merger With India
*Must We Subordinate? No we do not sub-ordinate
*Defenders of different kinds
*realignment of political forces, are we headig for republic of nepal
*Health and HUman rights Report on Nepal
*here is full Kabita. It is worth reading! It is some kind of wonderful!
*A perspective on Nepalis in the US, in case you missed it in KTM Post
*State of State by CK Lal- Do not cry for me! I am just a
*Disturbing news from Nepal, if you have not seen it
*Corruption and democracy-again
*Lowti's book review
*Monarchy versus Democratic Republic
*why blame the maoists?
*Interesting comments from the US Ambassador
*Action items
*RC Poudel in kantipur
*Congressional hearing on Asia and the Pacific - June 14, 2005
*Not that academic qualification ensures your success in
*Two op ed article in toadys's Kantipur.
*Democracy and peace by Nilamber Acharya
*What the list of Bhardars tells us ?
*Action items - One simple idea- In support!
*feualism and .......
*REturn to democracy
*US Nepal links roughed up in golf diplomacy spat
*Who is in control?
*article worth reading
*analysis in kantipur
*Birth of Nepali American Legal Defense Fund
*What do we make out of this?
*There is a MIddle Path
* Second generation leaders views different?
*Kantipur satire
*GPK Q&A
*Amnesty says stop all military aid
*Press Coverage Increasing
*Reviving Voice of America
*here is what koirala said
*REMEMBERING THE DEAD OF JESTHA
*the growing regional impact of Nepali maoists
*Just in case you missed- twisted metals and bare slippers!
*Voices from Nepal: Could not ignore this voice!
*Chitwan Horror: Condemnation alone, not enough
*Peace Plan for Nepal - by a Canadian activist
*Chitwan horror!
*political devolution
*ANA Press Release

Yesterday, I tried to register myself with my real name.
Oops, there is nothing about Sifarish from someone.
There is no guidance excenpt you enter your nickname.
If the group owners were for real democracy, they
would have at least allowed to see the discussions.
Its like a gangster's group, I wonder whether I can leave
once I join it. I hardly believe that its for Democracy
in Nepal. Though Nepe ji claims that its better than
Liberal Democracy Nepal, I hardly see it any better
than dr. Bohara's discussion forum.

If I need someone's sifarish to join a forum that claims
to be working for democracy, I will say "No thanks".

eNeka

Guru,

You are confused. I was comparing the websites of LDN and FreeNepal in terms of design and simplicity. That's all.
nepaldemocracy@googlegroups.com is a separate, independent and spontaneous group. It does not belong to LDN or FreeNepal, for that matter.

It's true some people from LDN and probably from FreeNepal too are active in nepaldemocracy@googlegroups.com. However, it's a separate and independent discussion forum and there are people from all walks of life and faith active in it. बुझ्नुभो ?

Nepe sir,

Tyati lato ta nasamjhan na ho. LDN ko
google group ko email address of liberaldemocracynepal@googlegroups.com

ani Nepal Democracy ko email address ho: nepaldemocracy@googlegroups.com

Now, hamro party ko googlegroup ko email address ho Neka@googlegroups.com

Our googlegroup is free and open. No one needs sifarish.
We are not scared of getting abused. Our principal is
not to judge by what can happen, e.g. a police officer
in US can not shot at someone who just looks like a
criminal at look, therefore, the police officers in real
USA and in Hollywood movies are shown to wait
until last minute of him behaving abruptly and then,
the police officers start firing in such a way that he
will kill the person immediately. But, Nepal Democracy
google forum or others, in contrary look and judge people from
outlook, and decide that this person will commit a crime
and jail him instantly as it happens in Nepal and many
other developing asian world. They have feudal Asian mentality.
They make judgement from outlook, but not from
real action or behavior, but from what a person wears
clothes, his height, his beard, his mustache ....
and there is where, our eNeka differs. You
are free to join.... I only wonder whether eNeka will
be liked whether its supposed to be members themselves
suffer from feudal mentality.

I will not be surprised for the lack of membership, but
I am wondering the lasting credibility of the forums
where closed members watch the members' outlook and control
while they want to establish democracy in Nepal.
These people are GirijaTantra badies and they will finally end up
doing HP for themselves..... GirijaTantra, for me is as follows:

Girija wants democracy in Nepal to remain in power in HMG as
well as in Nepali Congress. In Nepali Congress, he won't let others
have the same right as he has and he want to have full control
until his death, while want to call for democrayc in nepal. This is
where GirijaTantra has failed in the search of free and fair
open democracy for all public. Nepal Democracy forum, by
requireing a sifarish is direclty or indirectly a follower of
GirijaTantra.


For
eNeka

गुरुजी तपाईलाई एउटा कुरा सावधान गराईहालौं । तपाई nepaldemocracy@googlegroups.com मा तपाईको साझाकै शैलिमा प्रस्तुत हुनु भयो भने एक मिनेट पनि टिक्न नदिएर खेदेर निकाल्छन् है तिनीहरुले ।

एक पल्ट एकजनाले त्यस्तै गर्दा अवस्था यस्तो भयो कि मैले 'हैन एउटा कमिलालाई मार्न कति धेरै तोपहरु पड्काका हुन् मितज्यूहरुले' भनेर भन्नु प-या थ्यो ।

ल है विचार गरेर पसम । जे पायो त्यही बोल्ने प्रजातन्त्र चैं छैन त्यहाँ, त्यो चैं पक्का हो ।

Nepe sir,

Sabdhani ko lagi thanks. But, I am not worried about kicking out,
as long as I write based on my consciousness.

eNeka

I don't think you guys will get anything from such tori laurae groups. My assumption is they are just self pleasing and self gloating bodies. May be a gossip place with khutta tanae prabititi. I hate such groups. If you have something to say then say it in public if you can, otherwise just shut up their big mouth. If they are really THULA manchase, have you read any of their public writes, so what do you think? Are they buddijibi or a bunch of jokers waiting for Sandae ko phal!

Socialist,

You are right. These group owners don't have guts to
face their writing in public.

I wish people know in Nepali: Chha Chhkka Chhatish.
During panchayat time, my seniors in hostel used to tell
that they did not have anything to in the evening,
they could not go out of hostel because of the local
gundas around campus. In those days the hostel used
to be under frequent power cut off, so a group of seniors
used to sing son on hostel's bardali and after long hours
of singing song, when they got bored, they used to
bet who is powerful.... and bet for few rupees and
start Chha Chhakka Chhatish........ an open competition.

The way these so called leaders in cyberspace running
websites like NepalDem??????@googlegroups.com
or elsewhere are forming a group of like people.
So, in fact by using "INCLUSION" rule to include
only the people with agreeable ideas and writings, they are
actually behaving as ModernGay: entertaining themselves
through chha chhaka chhatish.

Chha chhkka chhattish: ६ ६ का ३६ ....

Don't say it like this: Chha Chhakka Tirsathi....

Chha chhkka chhattish: ६ ६ का ६३ .... Thats
not good.

No offense intended. Have fun.

Please include "intellectual" word in between "through .... Chha..."

So, in fact by using "INCLUSION" rule to include
only the people with agreeable ideas and writings, they are
actually behaving as ModernGay: entertaining themselves
through INTELLECTUAL chha chhaka chhatish.


If they can not open their forum named "nepaldemocracy"
or "... democracy nepal...." and open the membership
to public what is the meaning of that word "democracy".

Don't worry people, our rulers back in Nepal in last 15years
and now KG groups are all doing this Chha Chhakka Chhatish
biz and all are doing this for their own entertainment. So, the
tripple CCC is self entertaining and they don't not partner....
Is it for survival or because of ineptness?

My question to all these people who use "democracy" in nepal related
websites/forums: If you can not hold the truth and make your forum
open to public, better remove that word "democracy", otherwise you are just
CCC type of people.

गुरुजी, के सारो छोडिदिनु भएको ह्वाराराररारारार, नाकै थुन्नु पर्ने गरी ।

Anyway, 'intellectual masturbation', that's the word. However, a wrong word, Guruji. What actually happens inside nepaldemocracy@googlegroups.com can be best described as 'intellectual orgy'.

The difference is: while masturbation is a self pleasing solo act, orgy is an interactive group activity.

The closed door policy of nepaldemocracy@googlegroups.com is actually for discouraging the 'intellectual masturbators'. However, it's main purpose is to keep the 'intellectual sadomasochists' away from the group. It has no other purpose whatsoever.
nepaldemocracy@googlegroups.com is not a traditional organization with a mission statement and officials. It is just a meeting venue for discussing Nepal related topics non-anonymously and in decent manners. That's all.

It is open for all those who agree to use their real identity as a poster. In order to prevent people using fake identity, there was a general understanding that at least one member should know the newcomer. I don't know if it is being strictly practiced, though.

As far as my personal opinion is concerned, I like it's non-anonymous form. However, I'd prefer the messages to be displayed publicly. Nevertheless, since I have seen a lot of people being more comfortable and forthcoming to put their views in a closed session than otherwise, I think it is a good trade-off. Besides, ट्याम ट्याममा त्यहाँको कुरा ल्याएर साझामा सार्वजनिक गरेकै छु, आफ्नो विवेकले भ्याएसम्म ठम्म्याएको संवेदनशिल कुरा र मान्छेको नाम बाहेक ।

So I would invite those who are interested in the activities of the group to join the group rather than keep speculating and criticizing it from outside.

Send the request for subscription with your real personal information to:
nepaldemocracy-subscribe@googlegroups.com

The other day i had dinner with ex mayor of cambridge city, MA and her date for the nite was a britton chum..who had been to Nepal in 1998..basically trekking in anna range in pokhara, and sight of the late king in basantapur..was his achievement...as we talked along..he was unaware of the situation in Nepal, and she wudn't listen shit..but all of us agreed on the fact people of the world are jeolous of Nepalese simpleton life...no ambitious politicians, not a loser king can bring that back...yes..a liberal democracy is what we need for Nepal and Nepalese to return to innocence..lets see how much we can contribute..wisely

So Hush there were three of you during the dinner?
cool. Tell us what happened next.

nepe prabhu,
that masturbation is purely hedonistic and not intellectual
i just have to differ with you there

नेपे ज्यू,
त्यो group को intellectual orgy को दर्शन गर्न मन लागेको छ। के गर्नु पर्ला त? मेरो पनि छ - त्यो एउटा, मस्तिस्क भन्ने - अलि अलि ताकेको छ, आजकाल, कतै केही पार लागिहाल्छ कि?

Locum, right. What happens at nepaldemocracy@googlegroups is rather head-spinning than hedonistic.

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S4JK,

If you are serious and if you think you have enough intellectualibido, then here is how to join the group. Send a message with your true personal information (at least the real name and location ) to:
nepaldemocracy-subscribe@googlegroups.com

and wait for their reply. That's all.

See you there, then.

Keta-Keti-ho,

Nepe ji le email address liyera aaunu bho uhako innocent
prayash lai ta mannai parchha. I appreciate that.

But, I had sent my full PERMANENT address, webaddress,
website URL to introduce me. Beside providing all those
info on me, the nepaldemocracy-owner@googlegroups.com
did not have guts accept my membership. As usual, like
many nepalis do, he did not answer me. He just kept silence.
No response. My google membership page says "PENDING",
i.e. your membership is still in pending. What kind of owner
is he? Let me tell you the truth, the website URL never ask
you a reference is required, therefore, I told them that if
you are not satisfied with all those credentials, then you
can reject my membership, but I am not going to find
a reference when I don't know who the hell is running this
website? Should I sort out 25million nepalis name to make
reference to get membership of googlegroup which calls
itself dedicated to establish democracy in Nepal? Its just
a plain BS. Thats why these Nepalis "so called Diaspora
Praboodda Nepalis" are good in masterbating, and if
this is not masterbating what is it? If its not masterbating,
should not they dare to make their website public, at least
allow their posting to nonMembers. At least, Dr. Bohara's
LiberalDemocarcyNepal allows everyone to read their
posting.

God Bless them. Anyway, I am not going to be their
member for long time, as long as these forums are not
public. I just wanted to see upon recommendation of
Nepe ji. Sajha.com is fine for me as long as San makes
it a public forum. San does not put his opinion here
at least in political issues, therefore, this (sajha.com)
will remain a good open forum for all Nepalis. Those
who like masterbating may join or form closed forums
like NepalDemocracy@googlegroups.com.

JaiNepal
eNeka.

Guruji,

I hope they will not keep your application pending for long. Probably they were busy at ANA convention.

And I do agree with you that there ain't nothing like Sajha in the whole wide world.

There is one thing, however, that I will have to correct you. nepaldemocracy@googlegroups.com does not claim to be "dedicated to establish democracy in Nepal". In fact, it does not claim anything. All it claims, if anything, is that it provides a meeting place for discussing topics related to Nepal's democracy to all those who agree to reveal their identity and maintain civility in the forum. That's all.

Best,
Nepe

FYI. Here is what I just received about LDN:

==
Dear community members:

We are pleased to announce the posting of the new articles
on the Liberal Democracy Nepal online forum
( http://liberaldemocracynepal.org/ ).

We strongly encourage you to visit the above site and post
your comments on these articles. Valuable feedback on
these articles will be summarized, disseminated, and
archived in a journal.

The first two featured articles are also published in
Liberal Democracy Nepal Bulletin (LDNB), an electronic
journal of the Nepal Study Center, University of New
Mexico:
( http://nepalstudycenter.unm.edu/journals/LDNB/ldnb.htm ).


***********************************************************************

*Feature Article:
A PROPOSAL FOR NEW STATE STRUCTURE FOR A DEMOCRATIC NEPAL
(in Nepali)
By Mr. Narahari Acharya
Liberal Democracy Nepal Bulletin (Vol. 1, No. 1, 2005)
Mr. Narahai Acharya is a Central Working Committee member
and a prominent leader of the Nepali Congress (NC).


*Feature Article:
DEMOCRACY AND CORRUPTION
By Dr. Devendra R. Panday
Liberal Democracy Nepal Bulletin (Vol. 1, No. 2, 2005)
(with comments from Professors P. Bardhan of UC Berkeley;
Norman Uphoff of Cornell; and Phil Graves of U. of
Colorado, Boulder)
Dr. Devendra Raj Panday is the former finance minister of
Nepal, and the past president of the Nepal chapter of
Transparency International (TI). He is currently a member
of the Advisory Council of TI, Berlin.

*******************

*Opinion Piece:
HUMAN RIGHTS IN NEPAL: CHALLENGE AND A WAY FORWARD
by Mr. Sushil Pyakurel
Mr. Sushil Pyakurel is one of Nepal's foremost human
rights activists and former head of the Nepal Human Rights
Commission (NHRC).

***********************************************************************


To learn more about the UNM's Nepal Study Center and its
research, educational, journal publication, working papers
series, seminars, and the community outreach activities
and forums, please visit the following site:

http://nepalstudycenter.unm.edu


Sincerely,
Alok K. Bohara, Ph.D.
Professor
University of New Mexico
Jointly on behalf of
LDN Editorial Management Board of the LDN forum and
Editorial Board of the LDN Bulletin journal

(LDN EMB: Dr. Alok K. Bohara - Coordinator; Dr. Ambika
Adhikari; Dr. Anup Pahari; Mr. Bishal KC; Dr. Gaury
Adhikary; Mr. Girija Gautam; Ms. Mallika Shakya; Mr.
Naresh Koirala; Mr. Prakash Adhikari; Mr. Puru Subedi; Mr.
Sharda Thapa; Dr. Shiva Gautam; Mr. Suman Timsina)

(LDN Bulletin: Dr. Alok K. Bohara, Editor; Dr. Ambika
Adhikari; Dr. Surya Subedi; Dr. Mark Turin; Mr. Matthew
Ingram; Dr. Jeff Drope; Mr. Douglas Hecock; Mr. Prakash
Adhikari)

That is another kheti garnae bato ho Sathi ho yini raithanae haruko. U know the hattiko dant !