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Posted on 05-02-08 10:21 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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I am really glad some of the people who we have been electing in the past are out. It should be a good learning lesson for all the new comers, but how qualified are these new comers?

I have been trying to find out the background of some/all the election winners, specially Maobadi's because I don't want some uneducated fool who was a good public speaker to make decisions.

I want to start a petition to set a minimum educational qualification to run for government. Lets start with IA pass and maybe we can progress in the years to come. Hoina??

 
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Some people here believe that "representation" based on ethnic line is important. Wake up, this is 21st century. I want a leader who is capable of doing something good. I want the best. But in the name of representation of ethnic background, I don't think s/he represent me thus s/he can not deliver, and s/he is more to represent his/her ethnic background, which is so localized, and s/he might want to provoke people of his background in his constituency so that those who voted people of other ethnic background are ejected out of the constituency. Eventually we are heading towards segregation. In US, the method of segregation failed, and we failed to realize it.

Even if the number of Kangressies is too low in this parliament, when it comes debate, Maoists will threat, and intimidation using these large number SURTI THAPADI MARNE type of Parliamentarians. Some one out of Maoist leadership will tell them that Thapadi Mara, and all these 250+ will clap ..... We call it representation. It will be the most unfortunate set of parliamentarian in the history of nepal, after 2032's Gau Farke nominations of parlimentarians.

GP

What is Surti Thapadi? The debate is so boring that you don't understand, you feel sleepy. Unknowingly you sleep because it is a hall full of 600 people, and too hot, too boring discussions that goes above your head. Then a fellow parliamentarian who also feels boring want something to keep him woke up, and he needs caffine or nicotine whatever is available. So, he decides to have surti. So, he gets surti out of pocket, and prepares it. During the preparation, he has to clap surti .... in traditional way, then the parliamentarian who is sleeping suddenly wakes up and feels that he is missing something. Then follows the clap, ..... so other gawars who also did not understand ... follows him... clap clap.... patatataa.....


 
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Common Guys, We have Girija who is 10 class fail and he has been ruling us for the past two decades, so its double standard to talk about the education level of the elected Maoists. However say that there is no doubt that  it will be good to have a minimum qualification provision for our future parliamentarians, so that they won't be aunguta-chap. But, there is a caveat: In most likelihood we will be having 85% of our men/women having their degrees from these institutions - University of Bihar, University of Motihari, Instiution of Agricultural Economics - Begusarai, College of Nagpur, Rabri Devi College of Family Planning, etc., etc.

 

 


 
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नेप्टेको कमेण्ट प्रभावशाली भए पनि अलि झूटो छ । नेप्टे महोदयले माओवादी पनि राम्रै पढेलेखेका छन् भन्ने देखाउन खोजेको भए पनि कुरा त्यस्तो साँचो हैन । वास्तवमा ९५% बन्दूके माओवादी अत्यन्त कम पढेलेखेका वा साक्षरताको स्तर भन्दा अलिकति माथि मात्र छन् । अनि केही पढेलेखेका र कलेज सम्म पुगेका ठिटा ठिटीहरू चाहिँ पार्टीको मिलिसिया र प्रचार प्रसारको मोर्चामा अनि सांस्कृतिक गतिविधिमा लागेको पाइन्छ । यसो गर्दा माओवादीलाई धेरै फाइदा हुने गरेको छ । नपढेकालाई ब्रेन वास गर्न सजिलो हुन्छ र नियन्त्रणमा राख्न सजिलै सकिन्छ अनि तिनलाई सपनामा बाँधेर काममा लगाउन सकिन्छ र यिनले दायाँ बायाँ सोच्ने खुबी नै राख्दैनन् ।

तर बाबुराम, हिसिला, सुरेश आले मगर जस्ता केही पोष्ट ग्र्याजुएट अनि प्रचण्ड र महरा, हितराज पाण्डे,  जस्ता बिएस्सी र बिएड पास गरेका केही भुतपूर्व गाउँले माष्टरहरू पनि माओवादीमा छन् । यी सबै जसो केन्द्रीय नेतृत्वमा छन् भने अरू धेरै जसो माथिल्लो स्तरका नेताहरू समेत एस एल सी भन्दा तल भेटिन्छन् । कुरा र भाषणमा क्रान्तिकारिता देखाउन सक्ने भए पनि धेरैजसो अहिलेका माओवादीहरू विद्यालय समयमा अंग्रेजी, विज्ञान र गणितमा ३२ नकटाउने भएकाले आफ्नै शिक्षकलाई कांग्रेस वा एमालेको आरोप लगाएर कुट्ने पिट्ने गर्ने गर्थे र पछि स्कूलले कारवाही गरेपछि, बुर्जुवा पढाइ बहिस्कार गर्दै क्रान्तिकारी बनेर भुमिगत हुन्थे । 'यसो गर्नु राम्रो हुन्न बाबु हो' भनेर उपदेश दिने कतिपय माष्टरहरूलाई पछि माओवादीले आफ्नो क्रान्ति सम्पन्न गर्न बली पनि चढाए । यस मध्ये लमजुङका मुक्ति अधिकारी सर एउटा ज्वलन्त उदाहरण हुन।

तर अहिले माओवादी राजनैतिक पार्टीको रूपमा शान्तिपूर्ण राजनीतिमा अवतरण भए पछि , कांग्रेस र एमालेबाट मोहभंग भएका वा आफ्नो दूनो सोझिएन भनेर आक्रोशित धेरै अवसरवादीहरू स्वाभाविक रूपमा , माओवादी मौरीको चाका वरिपरि भुनभुनाउन थालेका छन् । धेरै भुतपूर्व अञ्चलाधीसहरू, पूर्व मण्डले जमात, विश्वविध्यालयमा पढाउने धेरै मौका नपाएका कागहरू काग तिहार मनाउन उता उडेका छन् र अब भने माओवादीमा विद्दावनको लर्को लागेको छ ।

 कसैले सोधे जस्तो, कागजी योग्यता मात्रले पो के गर्छ र भन्ने कुरा पनि साँचो हो । पढेको र विद्वत मान्छेले कुरा त बुझेको हुन्छ । यहाँ समस्या के कुराले पार्ला जस्तो देखिन्छ भने कुरा बुझ्नै नसक्नेले कुरा बुझेको अभिनय गरेर सबै कुरा उनैको बुझाइ अनुसार चल्नै पर्छ भन्ने आदेश जारी गर्ने भए ।

पढ्दैमा राम्रो नहोला, तर के नपढेर झन राम्रो होला त ?


 
Posted on 05-04-08 12:12 AM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Most of you guys are doing GHATIYA coments. You need to know that they all elected by Nepalese people. Stop doing nonsense comments. Most of the graduate Nepalese people's parents have low education, and that doesn't mean that they are trash. 


 
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Education hunu parthyo tara chhaina.. yo hamro desko bidambana ho.

Literacy in Nepal is somewhere between 30-40%. How many of them are SLC, Graduate, and Post-Graduate??? So it's worthless to expect well-educated representatives in CA. All in all, with some exceptions, the CA representatives were selected from such population among the good ones if not the best.



 
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Java

We know your  so called "heaven".  I heared that you are working in supermarket. Also sometime you go for washing plates.  Person like you don't need to show your concerns about the "hell" where we are living and trying to make it  "our own heaven", not like yours'. THUKKA BHAGUWA! you have called Nepal , "a hell".  Do you have any relatives and friends living in this "hell"?


 
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Read this article by Dr. Pramod Dhakal. You may find it interesting.

In Defense of the “Non-intellectual”

The English-educated and Internet savvy Nepalese have started a number of mailing lists that pour emails at a rate that there are not enough hours in the day to read them all. Involved in these groups are some self proclaimed “intelligent” and “educated” cyber-friends who love to edify the self. Although they mostly do superficial and self-serving discussions on the name of the people and “the motherland”, still I go there to get some fodder for the brain when the mind wants a break from usual work. While doing so, I came across some pitiful emails proclaiming a survey about the “uneducated” and “unintelligent” politicians of Nepal. However, despite my strong grievances towards the failed leaders, I found the kind of criticism done by these propagandist friends to be in poor taste. Therefore, I would like to write some words in defense of those politicians and to point out the hollowness of the thoughts of our “intelligent” friends.

Before going to the subject matter, however, I must also tell that I find Nepal’s old political leadership lacking vision and wisdom, predisposed to corruption and ineptitude, attached to power, and holding sway in the parties, and the country, due to a culture of impunity in the parties and in the government. At the same time, it would be unfair to ignore their contributors to the positive developments that have happened from the time of signing the 12 Point Agreement of November 22, 2005 to the formation of interim government of April 1, 2007, which has presented a new opportunity to build democracy, peace and security in Nepal. Therefore, they deserve their fair share of credit along with all the criticisms that they have earned.

Coming back to the topic, the conclusion of the emails under discussion was that “our good brains do not involve in politics/parties”, “Nepalese politicians are in lowest grade in global ranking”, “the majority of politicians are criminals, chor, fataha, thag, dada, murderers, smugglers, and corrupt”, “the rejected brains have been ruling over the cream brains in Nepal, a great reason for failure of the country”, “80% of key political leaders belong to the rejected brains group”, “most TU students are in centre of politics and not students of highly rated +2 and A level private colleges, who rather are abreast in the politics of the First World”, “Girija, Prachanda, Makune are no superb graduates like Tony Blair from Oxford and Bush from Yale”, and so on.

Well, criticisms can be eye openers and forces of positive change if done properly. However, the manner used in these criticisms is neither fair nor constructive but rather indicative of the intellectual bankruptcy of the appraisers. These criticisms are presented with numeric figures as if they were the result of scientific and objective studies, and the authors claim to be non-political, but any thinking person can figure out that they are manufactured for biased and purely political agenda. We all know that doing “politics” was illegal in old Panchayat Raj and Rana Sasan, and their keepers threw political opponents in jail, banned political literature that opposed them, and even executed political leaders as “non-political” acts. Students of government sponsored Swatantra Bidyarthi Mandal were paid and trained to carry out “non-political” activities against those who participated in “politics.” So much for the non-political politics!

However, the most annoying part of it is the labels like “cream brains” versus “rejected brains”, where the appraisers think that they belong to the “cream” category and politicians opposed by them belong to the “rejected”, and thus completely failing to do a fair and balanced assessment of the reality. The ridiculousness reaches its peak when assertions are made that +2 and A level private school graduates and Oxford graduates are intellectually superior to other humans. Further our “intelligent” friends found example like George W Bush to be indicative of Ivy League genius! Have we forgotten how the existence of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq was proved to be true in the UN? Was not it that everyone in the world who questioned that assertion was labeled either brainless or a supporter of a dictatorship?

The most famous leaders of modern times like Churchill, Gandhi, Lenin, Mandela, Mao, Martin Luther King, and Reagan, attended ordinary institutions. Even Albert Einstein, a man noted by Time as Person of the Century, would be a “rejected brain” for the first 30 years of his life if our “cream” friends were to appraise him. The most famous inspirational leaders of all time, like Confucius, Buddha, and Chanakya, did not attend any illustrious universities like Oxford, MIT and Harvard; despite that, top intellectuals around the world admire those thinkers with awe. Qin Shi Huang, one of the most famous rulers in history credited for feats like Great Wall and Terracotta Warriors, was hardly literate and Genghis Khan was an illiterate man raised by a destitute mother. Our Ivy League PhDs are still studying to date to figure out how those men might have built up organizational, technological and visionary capabilities so rarely achieved by anyone else in the history of mankind. Even Nepal’s Maoist movement is worth noting. How did those leaders, once ridiculed by even failed leaders like Deuba, develop and manage such a large and complex organization against all odds with capability to fight an army trained and sponsored by superpowers, and managed by top Generals? It could not have been possible if talent was present only among the elite Nepalese. The feet of our “cream” friends would have shaken if they had to develop and manage a system with a fraction of that difficulty and complexity. The moral of this is that books taught in Oxford and Harvard do not have pre-fabricated solutions to Nepal’s problems; the solution can be found only from within and implemented only by harnessing our own human potential.

Our “cream” friends seem to not question the intellect of Gyanendra or Paras while they are busy blaming every other politician. They are blinded due to biasness and, therefore, cannot see the counter productive role they themselves are playing. Further, Nepal was ruled by virtually illiterate people of Shah and Rana dynasties for two centuries. They ruled without giving anything back to the people, only collecting taxes from the self-reliant people of Nepal who lived off the natural resources that existed in their surroundings. These pathetic rulers kept Nepalese people in complete darkness but, fortunately, did not know how to destroy the resilience of our people. Then, there came an era when our foreign educated PhDs landed in Singha Durbar to engineer Nepalese economy to modernity.

In a short span of 50 years they have made the country economically defunct, environmentally ruined, and reliant upon foreign donation and remittance for feeding its people. Let us have a look on those top brains of Nepal like MBB Shah, Gyanendra Shah, Rishikesh Shah, KI Singh, Tulsi Giri, Prakash Chandra Lohani, Surya Bahadur Thapa, Pashupati Samser Rana, Tanka Prasad Acharya, Subarna Sumser Rana, BP Koirala, Nagendra Prasad Rijal, Kirti Nidhi Bista, and even Ram Saran Mahat. Their talent and education would be among the best of people but they could not find any mathematical magic for the fairness and prosperity of Nepal in all the books written in the world. It would not be an exaggeration to say that their failures are greater than that of the illiterate Ranas. The weakest of all – Padma Sumser – my have earned more touting rights than our Western educated talents! Note how Dr Prakash Chandra Lohani, a Board First student of Nepal, western educated and talented economist became a complete failure. Folks from Nepali Congress think Dr Ram Sharan Mahat is also a “tall” man but his failures are even more so spectacular! Look at the “American-style” corporatization of elementary schools to universities for “Singapore like fast economic progress” and ponder what fed the last 11 years of conflict in Nepal! By the way, it was not fed by the poverty most touted by “experts” but by the blatant injustices inflicted by such policies on poor and non-urban Nepalese. They only added new dimensions of corruptions on top of those already existed during Panchayat Raj and Rana Sasan. If another Board First and exemplary genius like Dr Baburam Bhattarai were to inherit this system of governance and start pleasing our Harvard-loving intellectuals, it is only a guarantee that he will be an utter failure as well. Unless we adopt different political and economic models and modalities that are responsive to Nepal’s natural and human realities, and are manageable by indigenously available human capital, Nepal will not see the light at the end of the tunnel.

However, these talent loving friends are not bleeding for what they call mother Nepal but are attempting to fool us with their self-serving logic. Let us not venture into what they attempt to bring to us for it is better to be poor with intact human dignity and freedom than stable Rana Sasan and Panchayat Raj. These “intellectuals” are worried that the big posts will now be handed over to the party operatives but they are so blind to not figure out that their party-less and bureaucracy-centric vision is thoroughly hollow and bankrupt. Their system is so corrupt that even sandal-wearing politicians become corrupt and start dejecting their own people if they ever enter there. Then again, if our “cream” friends are so superior to the rest of the public-school educated Nepalese, why don’t they come to the fore and lead?

Further, can any western education teach vision and wisdom? They can only produce mechanical brains with some statistical and mathematical abilities to attempt to implement something based on what the books say. But we need different mindset, unbound by books, one that has a vision in the first place and can translate that vision into reality. Only a leader that has experienced the ground realities of everyday people, is empathic to the pain of those people, has risen beyond self, has determination and confidence to lead the masses of people, and has management and organizational capabilities, can ever lead a country to greatness. This is not an easy feat for an everyday talented person but our book-loving friends are too naive to know that. Our Harvard educated PhD and non-PhD friends indeed attempted to build Nepal their way but they have only met failures. Many of them have already left Nepal in frustration and we know that they have no magic to solve the complex problems of Nepal and no persona to lead Nepal.

The challenge of Nepal is in finding a visionary leader who may come from the most humble of beginnings. But unless the system is restructured to make it conducive for new and better leadership to emerge past the old ones, all those potential leaders will die in the womb of Nepal long before they can display their mettle. There is severe need for transparency on how things are done from a household to the nation, from the individual political worker to the party. But today’s reality is that whoever happened to be at a high position will stay there till his or her death, even if the position was obtained by inheritance and not by inherent quality. Once in power, they are able to do anything with impunity as there are no checks and balances. But even if they were to exist, they would be ineffective when systems are too complex for them to be comprehensible to common people. But we have this notion that we could be masters of any complex system if only we had an opportunity to attend Harvard or MIT. But the unfortunate reality of the fact is that these institutions cannot teach any such magic to us.

Another problem to be understood is that our self-serving intellectuals seem to have too much free time, which they spend in bashing others and in writing loads of hollow complaints. When there is nothing better to do, everyone’s pastime naturally becomes petty politics (of course if they were real geniuses as they claim, they would have figured out the solution to the problems a long time ago). Until the day the system of governance is made simplified, resilient, self-sustaining, and self-improving, these problems will remain and the same talented people will use their brain to keep the system corrupt for their personal gain. Only a self-improving system can continuously enhance its capacity to deliver more service through the use of same amount of human resource. However, a system based on “natabad”, “kripabad”, “chakari” and “chaplusi” can never be self-sustaining and self-improving. In a corrupt system, our “intellectual” friends will never serve the “non-intellectual” and ordinary leaders elected by the people even if a fair system of electing the representatives were to be instilled. And, let us leave this topic of self-improving systems for yet another article!

 

 

 


 
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Congratulations to Dr. Pramod Dhakal.

For an example, please refer to the comments from Java.


 
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to Hell Khatrychetry, I don't have any relatives in Hell. and Shut your mouth off from talking about washing plates and working in Super Market???   is that not a work? What the hell you trying to prove? you people don't like that as working class? I think you try to prove, you are not from that class.  Dude, people like you only shy away from these sort of work, that's why I call you as guy from hell!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 
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for our government to run smoothly, we need a SYSTEM!!!

 
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Neell, thanks so much for posting Dr. Pramod's article.

I love his articles and his vision. He always advocates for prosper Nepal and he has many projects going on to help Nepali society from abroad.

Now those commentator who question present CA representatives' education, mainly maoists', should have opened their eyes. I never found a best way to reply these folks. Thank you  Dr. Pramod.

 
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Maoist are ass hole..................................


 
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       Well said

पढ्दैमा राम्रो नहोला, तर के नपढेर झन राम्रो होला त ?


 



 
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I agree with you Rahulvai

 
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5 percent educated haru ko 5% nai pratinidhitwa huncha bro haru. 95% Nepali haru le undergraduate pani gareka chainan. Bujhanelai yo kuro gahiro cha nabujhanelai ghar cheumai pahiro cha.
 
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Aalupade haru, timiharu padheka manche haru neta banna jao na kina bakbak garne. Cha tagat gaunma gayera rajniti garna? Timiharu ko kura sunda nai patyaye mahile.
 
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Education is only relevant in how it inspires wisdom. I only say this as someone with a pretty good one.
If you exclude those with wisdom because they don't have the proper receipt, you only serve to inhibit yourself.

The wisdom of balance is undeniable because it is the basis of a tripod and thus, all of human development.


 
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So why should Nepal invest in education? Let's now close schools and universities and join in YCL.


 
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Whenever I see an educated Nepali with PhD or Doctorate degree living in US/Canada, and writes "Executive Head" of an I/NGO that has pure collection of his/her close friends/relatives as members of the forum / (I will not be surprised to find his wife / her husband as another head of the advisory team), introduce a society / associations / iNGO, and become head of the group.... and masterbate in public. That is what many educated Nepalis in US and Canada do, in order to portray / get certified that they are more Nepali than other fellow Nepalis. This should stop, but it will not.

GP 

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to me, having a bachelor or master or any other kind of education degree tells us that the person is ready to start learning, nothing more. experience is equally important as education.
 



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