Tribute to late king Birendra

Freak ji,
whatever is happening now is the result of what was happening in the pancha time, it slowly developed into it. Raja Rani and the panches were the most corrupt people, as corrupt as the Ranas. They only worked for themselves and gave a damn about people like us.....neplese people had no clue about anything then but now they are aware of their rights...

May his and his family's soul rest on peace. Ram ka ta kura katne manche thiye bhane Birendra ka kura yo kali yug ma katne nai chhan. Late King Birendra timi amar rahu. You will be remembered by Nepalis until end of humanity in this earth.

HG

No Slave, it's true that Birendra denied democracy to Nepal for 2 decades. But please remember that Mahendra was the one who imposed the Panchayat system on Nepal. If Mahendra hadn't died so early, wouldn't he have been ruling Nepal ruthlessly? Instead of thanking Birendra for granting democracy, we all deride him, for no particular reason.
So yeah, Birendra did give democracy to Nepal. Your logic is flawed, since you fail to understand that Mahendra was the one who denied democracy.
And stop spreading rumors that have no basic, whatsoever. What proof do you have that the Panchayat system was corrupted. It's all conjecture, if you ask me!

I was more shocked by the way he died than the fact that king birendra had died. its sad to see people go out like that, but i do not feel that we as a nation have lost anyone so greatly significant. king prithivi narayan shah united all the little kingdoms and became the king by killing others. so the very beginning of the shah dynasty starts with bloodshed. i guess when u live by the gun then u die by the gun. i belive in the saying that "kalo gaye goro aucha". birendra died, now we have gyanendra. if anything, i take birendra's death in a positive light. maybe it is an opening of a door for a new beginning.

if we are to belive that dinosours existed long time ago and that they were wiped out by an astriod that hit the earth, then we see that this was bad for the dinosours, but good for us the humans. knowing what we know of them, the dinosours and us humans may not have been able to coexist. therefore, their extinction gave way to us humans and our existance became possible. i see birendra's death in the same light. it may seem bad at the moment, but in the long run i think that his death will give way to another beginning. another beginning that we so despratly need. besides, looking at his death in a neagtivse light does not help us in any way. so i say, move on.

Suman Dhakal

Mr. Dakal, your argument is way out of proportion. How can you compare our beloved king's death with stupid dinosours. He was the best king we ever had. Do not forget that he gave us democracy. Long live king Birendra.

May they who died rest their soul in peace. Why blame king Birendra for not ruling the country perfectly, while i see nobody has done so, so far. I mean we have to understand that nothing and nobody is perfect. Even though when we mean well, things dont turn out the way we want. Maybe KIng B wanted a peaceful life for us, Nepalese, but the fact is the mediators who stood between us, janatas, and him were corrupted. Little did he knew that the trusted ones were going to stab him from back, but I appreciate what he put through by giving democracy to us. We also need to understand that just because some of us love our king does not mean 'slavery' in any way. Many years later, today also we face racism or better casteism. Why do we hate 'Ranas'? Those who were brutal are long gone and now there sons and daughters are facing a faceless hatred from people. This is so crap. What Rana sashan has contributed and late king and queen has contributed to us and to our society is very important, esp to our generation. And just so the origin of maoism came after democracy came, after they saw that even the people who has a good idea of democracy cannot give Nepalese a true democracy. Right way didnt click so they chose a wrong path, and all we can do is see where it leads. King Birendra was great, his personality, his charm and his intelligence just added a great glory to our country. About his fatherhood, no father really want their son to be trashy but if a person is exposed to drugs and other things, he cannot do anything. He was a good father, we can see that by looking at other two kids. A person should not judge anybody's life, it might happen to you , how do you know the future?

KALI,

just because a son becomes wayward, does not justify anyone blaming his father for the son's misdeeds.

Jai desh Jai Naresh,
Mr Suman Dhakal is very right, I agree with him. I wonder why King Birendra is so loved?? What did he really do for us??? HHaaa Like TIRAMISU SAID He gave us democracy.....No he did not give us Democracy WE FOUGHT FOR IT, WE DEMANDED IT, IF HE HAD NOT WE WOULD HAVE KILLED HIS FAMILY THEN.
King Birendra was a racist, pussy whipped, with no backbone leader, he not only failed as a leader but as a father too, he was not aware of his son's addiction neither was he understanding towards his feelings.

dumb freek ji,,,,,,,,,,,,, u think we r in good condn now after the demo,,,,,there chiky basterd leaders are dam worst that of b4

kali ma U THINK THAT HIS SON KILL EVERYONE OF OLY HIS FALIMY ,,,,,,,,,,,,, THINK WELL THEN ONLY WRITE ,,,,,,,,,, WE ALL NEPALIS ARE BHEDAS WE KNOW EVERYTHINK BUT EVEN WE R QUITE AND WE HELP THEM TO DO MORE AND THEY R DOING MORE AND MORE

Kali,
think before you speak, look before you leap.
if you read my lines, i have never mentioned king Birendra's link to democracy.
i mentioned my sadness on his passing in such horrific circumstance.
and before you go on blaming the late king who has no voice to confront your blatant accusations, do you blame all parents in the world for their children's wrong doings?
when the events of september 11 unfolded, someone wrote in the pretext of one of the lost lives, consoling his loved ones not to forget him in these lines:
OUT OF SIGHT SHOULD NOT MEAN OUT OF MIND, I AM MERELY WAITING AT THE OTHER END , FOR WE WILL MEET ONCE AGAIN, IT IS JUST A MATTER OF TIME BEFORE I WILL BE ABLE TO TELL YOU HOW MUCH I LOVE YOU, AND TO HEAR FROM YOU HOW MUCH YOU HAVE MISSED ME.
KALI, if you really hated our late king that much, it was just twelve months ago that he was still alive and kicking, and you weren't any baby then, you could have vented your frustrations then. i am sure the king would have been all ears despite nfuriating his sycophants and cronies.

Mr. Suman Dhakal has a point.

Let us not talk about the sympathy to Birendra for his murder by his own son for a moment, shall we ?

Now, I think the death of the entire royal family last year marks the end of the dark age of Nepal or to be specific the long dark age of Nepali psyche. Although the power of the palace was significantly reduced by the popular movment of 1990, Nepali mind was still under the grip of the mystique of royal power. Royals meant a superior species of human with devine mind and mystical life style meant to rule us, the inferior people called Nepali.

But thanks to the murderer Dipendra, he made us see, once for all, that these royals were no different than us. The image of royals as semi-god in Nepali mind shattered into pieces for good.

Although the royalists ridiculed Baburam's words (that Nepal is now undeclared republic state), he was right to see the historical fact that the mystical monarchy in Nepali mind died right then. It takes some light to understand Baburam's words. When monarchy dies, what else does take its place if not the republic state (of mind) ?

Now freaking royalists are trying to re-mystify royals by spreading the false propaganda that Gyanendra is very very intelligent man (his IQ ?) and that Paras is getting crash course in good character etc. Gyanendra's lyrics have been recognized as the best literary work in Nepali literature, as mystical as those of Chandani Shah and MBB Shah. Kali Prasad rijal, Dinesh Adhikari and late Hari Bhakta Katuwal have become the second grade lyricists in Nepal. And so on..

Once again, Baburam rightly identifies these developments as the emergence of NEW MONARCHY in the country (see another thread on Baburam's recent article published in The Nepali Post). Some of the royalists in this thread are part of that mental kingdom. Let them shout 'Rajtantra Jindabad ! Gyanendra sarkar ko Jai Jai Jai. Paras sarkar ko Jai jai jai.

perhaps wxy needs a wake up call. read the thread. what does it mean?
AND,
are you really that blind? did the death of the entire royal family last year put an end to monarchy in nepal? does the mystique not hover even on this very day, this very hour, this very second what with gyanendra taking over? do you think the dark days are really over with birendra passing away? LOL
i'm not a supporter of monarchy itself, but king birendra passed away under horrific circumstances, and i guess, no one deserves to die like that.

before i forget, i dont think i need to remind anyone in these forums which wing your idealism is inclined towards. its just so obvious. our postings here are directed towards the thread itself, 'tribute to king birendra' , that is. yours stray away from it. you know towards what..

Birendra may be a gentleman (I have never met him!), he never had a good family. He is killed by his family, whoever do it!!
Better the remained palace people get rid of palace and live peacefully before they are forced to do! That will be the true tribute to Birendra!

Suman Dhakal wrote: i belive in the saying that "kalo gaye goro aucha". birendra died, now we have gyanendra. if anything, i take birendra's death in a positive light. maybe it is an opening of a door for a new beginning.

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Manchu Marnu ta sablai ek din chhadai chha. Tara pani kina yasto kathor sabda prayog garchou mitra. Kasaile Suman Dhakal mardiye huntho usko thau ogatna bhanema mitra Suman lai kati chot lagla? Birendra was King, and we were taught that King never dies (well king died in many countries or murdered), tara pani Birendra being King, he was also human being, he also had son. daught. and he wanted to see his grand kids . . . . . .play with them and finally die when he really deserved death from natural cause. Tyasaile kasaiko mrityu ma sajilai sanga u marera jati nai bho chahi nabhanou. Even 80 years old person has interest to live more, well, suman ji jasto sochai ka chhora bho bhane budho chadhai marera thikai bho sampatti khana paiyo bhanna ta hunna ni as a social man like Suman ji. Huncha ra? Janme pachi marnu ta cchha nai, tara not that way.

HG

Tiramisu,

If ‘tribute’ allows false glorification, do it by all means. Just don’t debate.

About the death of monarchy in Nepali psyche, I do not know how mature you are to understand and accept this. But I will suggest you to read Paschim’s postings. Somewhere he has written that amidst the tragedy, two good things happened last year- The palace and the army were demystified, people got to learn they are not holy cows. Here I am not arguing whether Nepal needs monarchy or not. I sense in Paschim’s posting that he is for a weak monarchy. I just wanted to state what happened in Nepal’s history last year.

You are free to interpret whether bondage with monarchy is a dark thing or not. No comment on my part.

Nobody is saying the king birendra did not die in a horrific circumstances. But the fact remains that he as the head of his house (ok palace) bears due part of responsibility. That horrific murder is the result of the corrupt (yes corrupt, no mystical/divine or whatever good adjectives used for the royals) lifestyle of the royals. Yes, nobody deserves to die like that. But people were not responsible for that. The life style of the royal family itself that Birendra nurtured and protected (or was unable to reform !) ultimately finished off his family. The fact is fact.

No need to bring up ‘wing’ here. Can we not discuss some facts as facts ?

The true tribute to Birendra is not to lie about him. False glorification is good on earth, but very bad in the heaven. They say ‘dudh ko dudh, pani ko pani’ kind of justice is served there. Trailokya Arayal in a related thread does not seem to be aware of this. Did you read him ?

hahooguru ji :)
tapain sandhai guru jastai kura garnu huncha.. and i enjoy ur postings a lot actually..
"kosaile suman dhakal mordiye pani hunthyo...." LOL
im not laughing at your response or at suman dhakal.. i just wanted to tell you that that line made me laugh a LOT.. then it made me smile. ekdam THIK kura ho guru ji :)

As for the topic - im really surprised at some of the responses...
I was really curious about what King Birendra has done to some of you that has caused so much hatred? or how Princess Shruti, Prince Nirajan or Queen Aishwarya have managed cause to much trouble in your lives. If you're just talking politics, then cursing someone's grave is quite perverted especially when you're saying it "just for the sake of opposing the monarchy."
After the Jana Andolan in 1990, Ganesh man Singh himself apparently said - "hamile ta lota liyera gako thiaun, raja le gagri bharera pathayo!"
Figure that out yourselves and you might have another opinion about whether the King was actually FORCED as you claim to give up the panchayat system.
About him being effective - his ideology was always to "give the people what they want." Ganesh man once suggested to the King that it was time to start calling them "tapain" instead of the conventional "timi." He just smiled and happily started saying 'tapain' to them without a single frown. This does not prove that he was being kind by respectfully addressing them which he shouldve have done in the first place, but it does reflect his ideology - "Let me be remembered as a true King", he used to say. "I want to give justice to my people."
Now the interpretation of a "true king" would differ from person to person...so if "effectiveness" is all you all are looking for, then you are asking for a keeps-it-all-together dictator. (which is perhaps what Nepal needs) An effective King in Nepal can never be a "considerate" one, a flexible one or one that agrees to the demands of dozens of those ministers.. at least not within the next 5-10 years.
Nevertheless, like hahooguruji said - mornu ta sabai lai kunai din chadaicha..
Tara kina mori sakya raja lai sarapera shanti line?
Lets just pray that those souls rest in peace shall we..

Hello HahooGuru, one of the "hasits" of gbnc. I have always admired your writing. Thanx for replying to my posting.

Your quote “Kasaile Suman Dhakal mardiye huntho usko thau ogatna bhanema mitra Suman lai kati chot lagla?” seems to imply that I was wishing for king Birendra's death. This could not be any further from the truth. Also in my posting I have not said that he deserved such a death or whether he was a good or a bad king. He may very well have been a good father, a good husband and a good human being. I have no second opinion on that. All I am saying is that since he has already passed away, why look at his death in a negative way. Why not in a positive light? Is that so wrong Mr. HahooGuru? My attempt was simply to probe the brighter side. Of course it hurts me too see another fellow human get killed like that. But we have to move on. His death should not mean the end of the world. That is what I mean by “kalo gaye goro aucha”. Yes he was our king, so what? Kings come and go Mr. HahooGuru. His death may very well be the beginning of an end of the shah dynasty. Maybe this marks the beginning of a new era. A better era for Nepal. Is it so wrong for me to hope for such an outcome? Is that being cold hearted?

Also u wrote “suman ji jasto sochai ka chhora bho bhane budho chadhai marera thikai bho sampatti khana paiyo bhanna ta hunna ni as a social man like Suman ji.”

I have never said or even implied such a point mitra HahooGuru. Actually, you have made it easier for me to get across my point by stating the above quote. Maybe the “budho” was not well managing his sampati. Maybe he could have done better. Which does not mean that I was wishing for his death. And if that sampati can be well managed under someone else’s management, is it so wrong of me to say that the budho’s death opened a door for a new beginning. A new mangement under which the sampati could now be used more efficiently. And this is exactly my point mitra Guru.

PS. Also mitra Guru, he was the KING. "with great power comes great responsibility" asy they say in Spiderman. Thus it should not totally shock anyone when I anylize king Birnedra's death in such a manner. Since he was held to such higher standards, he also most certainly be ready to recive such "harsh" judgement for he was no ordinary Nepali.

Suman Dhakal

Suman ji,

I read your version. We need to discuss all facets and come to
some practical conclusion. Instead of volleying postings between
us, I am interested to read others postings. thanks for your
clarification.

Your point " Since he was held to such higher standards, he also most certainly be ready to recive such "harsh" judgement for he was no ordinary Nepali. "

should be the core issue. Paschim once wrote on Ganeshman that history
writers should look at all facets of King Birendra. Lets not pick up certain
episode and judge him from single angle. He was also public figure and
it surely asks us look this side too.

HG

dear wxy,
i am replying to:'the lifestyle of the royals that King birendra protected and nurtured ultimately finished off his family'

the so-called Fact from your side is in my views a mere interpretation of hearsay. perhaps you are more knowledgeable when it comes to inner royal facts, and maybe i am wrong to assume that king Birendra was trying to reform/rehabilitate the wayward son, But would it be wrong to give the late king the benefit of doubt that as a father, he might have done his best to bring his son in line with his expectations? would any father revel with joy when his son becomes an alcoholic, an addict? Of course, the Fact is, He's No More, but, THE ACTION OF ONE PERSON IS HIS ALONE, AND IN THIS CASE, ALLEGEDLY, DIPENDRA'S. WHY TARNISH THE IMAGE OF A MONARCH WHO WAS REVERED UNTIL HIS UNTIMELY DEMISE? i may be wrong, and immature too, to think along that line. But while i applaud your view of tackling every adversity with optimism, when people suddenly start denouncing a man who was unbeknown to us - common citizens who looked upto him- personally as far as his mannerisms, insights,expectations were , in trying to ward off hurling accusations at a dead man, albeit him being the late king, is no glorification!

there is a ring of truth in paschim's mention of the demystification of monarchs after the royal massacre. i am not denying that FACT.

then again, some self-proclaiming, self-glorifying intellectuals in these forums think you and i are discussing trivial issues while ignoring the need to counter the real issues on hand, so let's put this issue to rest, what say you?