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Posted on 11-05-13 8:15 AM     Reply [Subscribe]
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A Nepali woman went to Pashupatinath with her 7 year old boy.
Boy: Look mom a cow, can we get some milk?
Mom: No son we can not, it's just a statue and they continued.
Boy again said: Look mom the tiger, will it attack us?
Mom: No beta its just a statue. It won't.
Boy: Look mom a dragon, will it spit fire on us?
Mom: It won't dear...its just a statue.Then they both enter into the templ...e premises.
Mom: Look son God, He is the master of the universe and will guide you. Please bow down in front of him and show some respect.
Son: Sorry mama, He can't be God. Its just a statue. If He is the master of the universe than just tell him to talk to me.
Mom was baffled.
Just to let you know, Vedas, Bhagwad Gita , Bible, Quran and most of other sacred scriptures prohibits Idol worship. Please read your scripture today. Please do not put God in a box.

The Vedas: "Andhatama pravishanti ye asambhuti mupaste"
"They enter darkness, those who worship the natural elements" (Air, Water, Fire, etc.). "They sink deeper in darkness, those who worship sambhuti." [Yajurveda 40:9]
Sambhuti means created things, for example table, chair, idol, etc.

Bhagvad Gita: "Those whose intelligence has been stolen by material desires surrender unto demigods and follow the particular rules and regulations of worship according to their own natures." [Bhagavad Gita 7:20]

"Thou shalt have no other gods before me."
"Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:"
"Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God." [The Bible, Exodus 20:3-5]


Al-Qur'an: "It has been revealed to you, and to those before you that if you ever commit idol worship, all your works will be nullified, and you will be with the losers." [Al-Qur'an 39:65]
"God does not forgive idolatry,* but He forgives lesser offenses for whomever He wills. Anyone who sets up idols beside God, has forged a horrendous offense." [Al-Qur'an 4:48]

Have a good Tuesday. Please do not give up your right to think to anyone. Let not your fore-fathers make decision of your salvation.
May God guide all of us. Ameen !!!

your Nepali brother



 

 
Posted on 12-10-13 7:37 PM     [Snapshot: 4546]     Reply [Subscribe]
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above comparison taken from islam

Now some more

It is very interesting that many Muslims are trying to justify Koran using science, 

 

My friend,

 

 I read the pages you mentioned, for me it was like reading of Nostradamus predictions come true. There are books, TV series and so on so froth about Nostradamus very cleverly explaining that how Nostradamus predictions came true

 

All those claims about Nostradamus are just “retroactive clairvoyance”

 

In “retroactive clairvoyance” actual evidence is retrofitted to match these "clues" (hindsight bias). The tips that don't fit are conveniently forgotten (selective thinking

 All those claims in Koran saying that it matches the science are equivalent to retroactive clairvoyance

We can take one example of sun set and sun rise, Koran considers sun as lantern and other stars as lamps. But now we know sun is also a star not lantern, but using concept of retroactive clairvoyance one can consider sun as lantern because it provide light for us.

Koran says sun’s motion gives day and night in actuality its earth’s motions that produce day and night. Using “retroactive clairvoyance” ppl say “you see Koran said son revolves around; now scientists find Sun revolves”.

 But those failed to relate the sun’s motion with earth’s day and night. People who are gullible end up believing such claims

 Humans have an uncanny ability to find meaningful patterns where none were intended. Using this ability we are still trying to fit meanings of religious texts in science.

 One of the processes in science to check the source is to check the mistakes or impurities. Mistakes made by Aristotle and Galen about embryo are also in Koran indication that source of information in Aristotle, Galen and Koranic embryology is same. Aristotle and Galens embryology was before Koran and result of gradual evolution in science Therefore the concept of human embryo development in Koran is not a new concept.

  According to the bible in the beginning it was dark, then god said let there be light, Boom, a Big Bang, there you go, Bible explained BB theory.

 Most important thing to understand is three Abrahamic religions don’t agree with each other  

Each of them claims they are the real. If they cannot sort out their difference in 1400 years then obviously there is something wrong.


 
Posted on 12-10-13 11:05 PM     [Snapshot: 4574]     Reply [Subscribe]
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too much coping and pasting shit going on here.....Religions are created by human, God is created by human and not the other way...so stay back and relax....
 
Posted on 12-11-13 10:47 AM     [Snapshot: 4621]     Reply [Subscribe]
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God is one:
Please return to God before it's too late. God wants us to repent and return to him. Please read the scriptures today. God loves us more than our mothers and He wants us to inherit the paradise. I invite you to Al-Islam. Please stop worshipping creation, please worship the Creator.
There is only one God. The God of Abraham, Moses, Jesus and Muhammad is same God. Do not get confused.
Even Hindu scriptures says there is only one God.
Sanskrit: "Ekam evadvitiyam"
English: "He is One only without a second." [Chandogya Upanishad 6:2:1]
One of my favorite stories from the Bible:
The Parable of the Lost Son:
Jesus continued: “There was a man who had two sons. The younger one said to his father, ‘Father, give me my share of the estate.’ So he divided his property between them. Not long after that, the younger son got together all he had, set off for a distant country and there squandered his wealth in wild living. After he had spent everything, there was a severe famine in that whole country, and he began to be in need. So he went and hired himself out to a citizen of that country, who sent him to his fields to feed pigs. He longed to fill his stomach with the pods that the pigs were eating, but no one gave him anything.
When he came to his senses, he said, ‘How many of my father’s hired servants have food to spare, and here I am starving to death! I will set out and go back to my father and say to him: Father, I have sinned against heaven and against you. I am no longer worthy to be called your son; make me like one of your hired servants.’ So he got up and went to his father. But while he was still a long way off, his father saw him and was filled with compassion for him; he ran to his son, threw his arms around him and kissed him.
The son said to him, ‘Father, I have sinned against heaven and against you. I am no longer worthy to be called your son.’
But the father said to his servants, ‘Quick! Bring the best robe and put it on him. Put a ring on his finger and sandals on his feet. Bring the fattened calf and kill it. Let’s have a feast and celebrate. For this son of mine was dead and is alive again; he was lost and is found.’ So they began to celebrate.
Meanwhile, the older son was in the field. When he came near the house, he heard music and dancing. So he called one of the servants and asked him what was going on. ‘Your brother has come,’ he replied, ‘and your father has killed the fattened calf because he has him back safe and sound.’
The older brother became angry and refused to go in. So his father went out and pleaded with him. But he answered his father, ‘Look! All these years I’ve been slaving for you and never disobeyed your orders. Yet you never gave me even a young goat so I could celebrate with my friends. But when this son of yours who has squandered your property with prostitutes comes home, you kill the fattened calf for him!’
My son,’ the father said, ‘you are always with me, and everything I have is yours. But we had to celebrate and be glad, because this brother of yours was dead and is alive again; he was lost and is found.’”
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Posted on 12-11-13 10:48 AM     [Snapshot: 4624]     Reply [Subscribe]
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Once a woman was searching for her child and when she found him, she took hold of him, pressed him against her chest and gave him her breast to nurse him. God's Messenger Muhammad (saw) saw her and asked his companions: "Do you think this woman would ever afford to throw her child in the fire?" They said: "By God, so far as it is in her power, she would never throw her child in the fire. Thereupon Prophet Muhammad said: 'God is more Merciful to his believing servants than this woman is to her child.' (Saheeh Al-Bukhari, Book 73, Number 28)
 
Posted on 12-11-13 10:50 AM     [Snapshot: 4626]     Reply [Subscribe]
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Posted on 12-11-13 2:05 PM     [Snapshot: 4645]     Reply [Subscribe]
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this dude with 1 million pseudonyms wont get it . let reason win .copy- paste le nai pura thread bhardiyo bro le. aafai pani sochne kasta garne ho ki??


 
Posted on 12-11-13 2:52 PM     [Snapshot: 4659]     Reply [Subscribe]
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Shiva:Linga: Brother you crack me up.
---: Bro good research. I am coming up with some refutations please allow mw some time. Thank you for the patience. In the meanwhile, please enjoy the videos re kya :)
 
Posted on 12-11-13 3:39 PM     [Snapshot: 4672]     Reply [Subscribe]
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My friend facebook123

I believe i have watched this video before. Its like watching Video or Tv show about Nostradmus predictions come true. very good example of  retroactive clairvoyance. If christians wants they also can get same conclusion from Ved. 

The video is clear exampple of how religions can be misused for personal interests.
Nepali ma ukhan chha ni "Bolne ko pitho Pani bikchh" Nabolne ko chamal pani bikdaina"
The genetelman is a good orator no doubt about that. And if you are agood orator you can influence innocent/gullible non-suspecting ppl. The video is perfect example of this.
Word "Prachanda" came into my mind while watching this video. As Prachanda used to go to the ppl of different tribes and ethniccity and used to say I am working for you, etc etc . Same here. When you see Christians Jews  they say we all are from same Abraham we should unite. When you come to Hindu yeah Ved explains about Mohammad, "jaha gayo tehi thik".

The Video actually help prove we dont need god. God was there from the beginning and problem were there too.
 

 
Posted on 12-12-13 1:47 PM     [Snapshot: 4756]     Reply [Subscribe]
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Few more for my friend. 

Surah 4:43

O you who have believed, do not approach prayer while you are intoxicated until you know what you are saying or in a state of janabah, except those passing through [a place of prayer], until you have washed [your whole body]. And if you are ill or on a journey or one of you comes from the place of relieving himself or you have contacted women and find no water, then seek clean earth and wipe over your faces and your hands [with it]. Indeed, Allah is ever Pardoning and Forgiving.

Surah 2:219

They ask you about wine and gambling. Say, "In them is great sin and [yet, some] benefit for people. But their sin is greater than their benefit." And they ask you what they should spend. Say, "The excess [beyond needs]." Thus Allah makes clear to you the verses [of revelation] that you might give thought.

 

Surah 5:90

O you who have believed, indeed, intoxicants, gambling, [sacrificing on] stone alters [to other than Allah], and divining arrows are but defilement from the work of Satan, so avoid it that you may be successful.

Surah 5:91

Satan only wants to cause between you animosity and hatred through intoxicants and gambling and to avert you from the remembrance of Allah and from prayer. So will you not desist?

Now again in Surah 16:67 Koran tells from where u should take intoxicants

Surah 16:67

And from the fruits of the palm trees and grapevines you take intoxicant and good provision. Indeed in that is a sign for a people who reason.

And again there is river of wine in heaven

Surah 47:15

Is the description of Paradise, which the righteous are promised, wherein are rivers of water unaltered, rivers of milk the taste of which never changes, rivers of wine delicious to those who drink, and rivers of purified honey, in which they will have from all [kinds of] fruits and forgiveness from their Lord, like [that of] those who abide eternally in the Fire and are given to drink scalding water that will sever their intestines?

Note the use of words “to those who drink” indicates that drinking is ok, even in Paradise

And in First Video the guy says there are rivers of milk in Paradise but does not mention the rivers of wine (selective thinking)

Now let me analyse these Surah

I do not know in what chronological order different surah are written But surah

4:43 suggests that (do not pray while intoxicated) intoxication was not prohibited but praying during intoxication was prohibited

Surah 2:219 suggest there are some benefits of Wine but sin is greater

And surah 5:90/91 suggest intoxicants will avert you from the remembrance of Allah and from prayer and to avoid them

You see my friend, different opinion about intoxicants in different surah. In the beginning intoxicants (alcohols, weed, narcotics and other drugs of abuse are considered intoxicants in modern days) were not prohibited but asking not to pray during intoxication

Looks like surah 4:19 was revealed first and the surah 2:219 and 5:90/91

This indicates that surah can not be the words of the god because there is a progressive opinion about intoxicants (progressives opinions comes only after research and analyzing facts). Such research and analysis may not necessary for omnipotent entity.

I know Musalmans have explained it like because getting rid of alcohol is step by step process. But that will be just another example of “retroactive clairvoyance”.

And even if it was so Allah could have explained it directly what could have stopped him?

These surah regarding intoxicants indicates that drinking is not forbidden, getting drunk is forbidden so if you are drunk don’t pray but if you have wine (say 2 glasses)  of wine and you are not drunk then you are allowed to pray

Also it is very strange to find that Surah 4:43 suggest that after coming contact with women (may be intended to say after having sex) to clean itself either by shower if not available clean hand and face using clean earth making women look second grade

I tried to find if women too has to clean herself before praying after coming in contact with man but I could not find, this also indicates discrimination indicates

Surah 18:57

And who is more unjust than one who is reminded of the verses of his Lord but turns away from them and forgets what his hands have put forth? Indeed, We have placed over their hearts coverings, lest they understand it, and in their ears deafness. And if you invite them to guidance - they will never be guided, then - ever.

This indicates that heart is used for thinking /understanding which is not true

The source of this mistake is also Grabha Upanishad which too implies that heart thinks.

Surah 67:5

And We have certainly beautified the nearest heaven with stars and have made [from] them what is thrown at the devils and have prepared for them the punishment of the Blaze.

And I checked, scientist have estimated the edge of the universe is little more than 13 billion light years away, they have estimated trillions of stars but found no heaven. They already found 1000 planets but no heaven.).

Milkyway is our galaxy and till dates there is no indication of any heaven. And throwing stars at the devils?? What is the size of stars? What is the size of devil?

If the god exists and if he is omnipotent this can not be the word of god.

 

Also Koran says earth was created first then heavens with stars (nearest heaven)

Surah 2:29

It is He who created for you all of that which is on the earth. Then He directed Himself to the heaven, [His being above all creation], and made them seven heavens, and He is Knowing of all things.

But this is against established facts.

Allah calling servants to his followers

 

This concept is actually derived from Akkadian epic of Atra-Hasis (wise one). According to the epic

The story outlines the structure of the universe according to Babylonian beliefs. Heaven is ruled by the god Anu, the earth by Enlil and the subterranean sweet water by Enki

Enlil assigned junior divines to do farm labor and maintain the rivers and canals, but after forty years the lesser gods or dingirs rebelled and refused to do strenuous labor. Instead of punishing the rebels, Enki, who is also the kind, wise counselor of the gods, suggested that humans be created to do the work.

As a result, humans are made from clay, saliva and divine blood to act as servants of the gods.

How humans were created?

Enki, who is also the kind, wise counselor of the gods, suggested that humans be created to do the work. The mother goddess Mami  ( sound familier ? mummy ??) is assigned the task of creating humans by shaping clay figurines mixed with the flesh and blood of the slain god Geshtu-E, “a god who had intelligence” (his name means “ear” or “wisdom”).  On some tablets the under-god Weila or Aw-ilu, (sound familer? Allah) was slain for this purpose.

The human population increases and their noise disturbs the gods, who decide to wipe out mankind. The god Enki, however, sends a dream to Atrahasis . The god creats a flood, Atrahasis builds a boat (as suggested by God Enki) this is the biblical flood mentioned in Judaism/Bible and Islam.

 

So, presence of many accounts from Akkadain civilization indicates that biblical religions were greatly influenced by Akkadians myth of creation

I have prepared this after going through many sources.

 
Posted on 12-12-13 5:43 PM     [Snapshot: 4799]     Reply [Subscribe]
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----: Bro did you watch the second video? It is my favorite apologist: Shabir Ally. He has a very good understanding of the Bible. He is very good for Western Audience. If you are interested this is his website: http://www.shabirally.com/debates.php

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGpDusvtUJo
 
Posted on 12-14-13 7:45 AM     [Snapshot: 4866]     Reply [Subscribe]
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The Brahma Sutra of Hinduism is:
Sanskrit: "Ekam Brahm, dvitiya naste neh na naste kinchan"
English: "There is only one God, not the second; not at all, not at all, not in the least bit."
Thus only a dispassionate study of the Hindu scriptures can help one understand the concept of God in Hinduism.

The oldest of all the vedas is Rigveda. It is also the one considered most sacred by the Hindus. The Rigveda states in Book 1, hymn 164 and verse 46: "Sages (learned Priests) call one God by many names." [Rigveda 1:164:46]

 
Posted on 12-15-13 4:07 AM     [Snapshot: 4927]     Reply [Subscribe]
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dharke bro nailed it,  the dude with 7 pseudonyms , wpuld u now convert back to something other or not??OHH I SEE IF U NOW CONVERT ; U LL BE PUNISHED TO DEATH  BY STONING:THE GREAT RELIGION OF PEACE ORDERS IT;RIGHT?

 
Posted on 12-15-13 12:24 PM     [Snapshot: 4968]     Reply [Subscribe]
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Oh this shit been going here for a while now....ayt to the believers of GOD lemme ask u sth? 

Is Jesus white or black??? 

Is Mohammed Asian or Middle Eastern??

Does Hindu really have 33 crore GOD??? if u beleive in GOD name them.

 
Posted on 12-16-13 8:21 PM     [Snapshot: 5056]     Reply [Subscribe]
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according to hundism if you convert to muslim , you will be oil fried like pakauda.. :)

 
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MK4WwRrw34k

 
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ough-e6ThWE

 
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APCTo-A1sZo

 
Posted on 01-21-14 12:37 AM     [Snapshot: 5841]     Reply [Subscribe]
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I think this video says it all:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHveQ21NXEI
 
Posted on 01-21-14 11:42 AM     [Snapshot: 5903]     Reply [Subscribe]
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Seems like whoever started this thread got that in his face. My dear, should have thought about the consequences before starting this kind of thread. Now stop posting those whiny cry baby arguments, cannot find any better copy past? Remember not to stir what stinks, that would only make it worst.
 
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Jungle Book: With due respect, do you agree this is a good post though?
Please do a favor for me by watching this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-goyTpF6qWE
Also, please let me know what you think.
Thank you for watching!
 



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