In a recent radio show organized by BBC Nepali Sewa, transmitted today (May 17, 2009), Dr. Babu Ram Bhattrai sait he "has a dream of making Nepal atleast like USA or Europe in next 15/ 20 years.". Shouldn't we work to fulfil his dream?

But do we trust his words anymore?

BTW, there is speculation that LTTE's Chairman, Prabhakaran has committed suicide. They are trying to confirm his body doing DNA testing. 

Why is this thing even a debate?

1. Baburam is a terrorist, and he should be punished by the law. No question at all.
2. He did do good as a Finance Minister, esp with collecting revenues. That doesn't make him less of a terrorist, but it does prove that he is dedicated and knowledgable for the post.

Howard,

Nicely summarized. I agree with both points you have outlined.

Sid

In other words We as a Nepali society are okey to have a murderous tyrant running a government office ?  So why don't we make Charles Sobraj the Primeminister then(heard he has excellent management skills ) ?  Or better yet why don't we make Jefferey Dalhmer a chef cause he know his meat well ?

DOES A MUDERER BELONG TO JAIL OR GOVT OFFICE ?  OHHH oops I forgot he is doing a great job so lets comend him for that ? Man that is one fugged up logic.

Ya, Ya, definitely, Maoist are terrorist, but King had
terrorism for more than 30 years in Panchayat from mandale, police and army,
congress had terrorizing with Nebisang Gunda from 2007, UML had terrorism
from  aneraswobiu, we need anyone who can lead the country, we are in the
terror from our history, unless and until we are blindly support or against
anyone, everyone is supporting terrorist one way to other. Definitely, there
will be terrorist everywhere if we always see negative to everyone. Nepal needs
hero, that might be anyone, but who can lead the country, no autocracy, no dictator,
from the people who is less terrorist, it might be Baburam or Gagan, Sankar
Pokhrel or Narahari, who cares, needs good people to country

BathroomCoffee,
Do you even read others views properly? I didn't say he should be rewarded or commended. Here is what I said:

1. Baburam is a terrorist, and he should be punished by the law. No question at all.
2. He did do good as a Finance Minister, esp with collecting revenues. That doesn't make him less of a terrorist, but it does prove that he is dedicated and knowledgable for the post.

Please, get rid of that "Either you are with me or you are all terorrists" attitude.

What good job.. collecting more money.. C'mon guys.. what he did was simply using blatant force (guns, threat etc - which are signature of Maoists) he forked out more money.. not a big deal..

More importantly, you have to look into this in a different way.. WHY THE HELL he collected so much money... yes, what's the Purpose....? Of course... while in the government, Maoists want to maximize their gains... which is of course amassing more more.. and paying their debt.. yes, the loan they took to wage bloody 12 year long  freaking war against the poeple of Nepal.... Nope.. they did not do that for people.. they did that for themselves.. they brainwashed the ignorant villagers of remote mountains.. used them.. to kill Nepalese...general nepalese.. not a single freaking corrupt leaders were killed in their movement..

Baburam Bhattatatatatarai.. that's what this mad man is....

Now that it's established that Baburam is a terrorist, it's absurd to think a terrorist can do any good. It's as disgusting as saying that Eichamnn was a good administrator for the final solution. The point is that Baburam's goals are exactly the same, whether he makes any tactical adjustments in attaining them is quite irrelevant. The man is a terrorist and no amount of revenue raising is going to change that. And, in any event, there is plenty of evidence emerging to show that it hasn't been all that great at MoFin:http://www.weeklynepal.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=23307

 

Howard,"He did do good as a Finance Minister, esp with collecting revenues. That doesn't make him less of a terrorist, but it does prove that he is dedicated and knowledgable for the post. Please, get rid of that "Either you are with me or you are all terorrists" attitude." ha ha ha     hasaucha yo manchey ley.

So you are ok with a Terrorist running your govt.. ? My point is the guy needs yo pay for his crime not be given a post in the Government.  YOU DO NOT MAKE BERNIE MADOFF A FINANCE MINISTER(after a financial scandal of the century), or rather make HITLER UN SECRETARY GENERAL RIGHT AFTER GENOCIDE ?  Ummmmm..... where did I exactly say,"Either you are with me or you are all terorrists" or have that attitude ? I just cannot forget everything and wipe the slate clean.  My point is plain and simple.....

CRIME= PUNISHMENT not A FINANCE MINISTER.  And that goes for all party's not just the Maoist.  

 

whatever he collected crores and crores but still he made nepalese live without lights ,food and fuel .....he still made people affected by floods to live a life of promise to be never fulfilled ...so what is the uses of those revenues that is of no use of civilians ....OH ya it should go in Cantonment haina ta?

People who discount Baburam for being a terrorist should also discount Army for its terrorism. Read about these Loonies torturing a 15 year old girl and killing her during the torture. Waterboarding seems to be a good deal in that poor girl's case.

http://nepal.ohchr.org/en/resources/Documents/Nepali/reports/IR/Year2006/2006_12_01_HCR%20_Maina%20Sunuwar_N.pdf


उक्त प्रतिवेदनका अनुसार, नेसेका अधिकृतहरूले मैना सुनुवारलाई काभ्रेपलाञ्चोक जिल्लाको उनको

आफ्नो घरबाट २०६० फागुन ५ गते श्री वीरेन्द्र शान्ति कार्य तालिम केन्द्र पाँचखालमा लगे। सो

तालिम केन्द्रमा तत्कालीन प्रमुख सेनानी बबी खत्रीको आदेशबमोजिम एक मिनेट ६-७ पटक पानीको

एउटा ठूलो भाँडोमा मैना सुनुवारको टाउको डुबाउन आदेश दिने दुई सहसेनानीसहित सात नेसे अधिकृत

र सैनिकको उपस्थितिमा उनलाई यातना दिइयो । प्रतिवेदनका अनुसार, सैनिकहरूले त्यसपछि उनका

भिजेका हात र खुट्टामा चारपाँचपटक करेन्ट लगाए। यातना डेढघण्टा जारी रहृयो र यसपछि उनलाई

तालिम केन्द्रको परिसरमा भएको एउटा भवनमा थुनियो जहाँ उनलाई आँखामा पट्टी र हातमा हतकडी

लगाएर छोडियो। उनले पछि वान्ता गर्न र मुखमा फिंज काढ्न थालिन् र चिकित्सकीय सहयोग

आइपुग्नुभन्दा अगाडि उनको मृत्यु भयो । कोर्ट अफ इन्क्वायरी बोर्डले “यातना दिंदै सोधपुछ गर्ने क्रममा

यातना सहन नसकी निजको मृत्यु भएको” र “अपरिपक्व, अदक्ष ढङ्गको यातनापूर्ण व्यवहार अमानवीय

भएको” निष्कर्ष निकाल्यो ।

कोर्ट अफ इन्क्वायरी बोर्डको प्रतिवेदनले मैना सुनुवारको यातनामा संलग्न अधिकृत र सैनिकहरूले यो

मृत्युको ढाकछोप गर्न प्रयत्न गरेको पनि निष्कर्ष निकाल्यो । शवको पिठ्मा गोली हानिएको र

यसलाई तालिम केन्द्रभित्र गाडिएको थियो । त्यसपछि उक्त तालिम केन्द्रका इन्चार्ज महासेनानीले नेसेको

हिरासतबाट भाग्न खोज्दा मैना सुनुवारलाई गोली हानिएको भन्दै बनावटी प्रतिवेदन तयार गरे । कोर्ट

अफ इन्क्वायरी बोर्डले “श्री वीरेन्द्र शान्ति कार्य तालिम केन्द्रबाट एक वर्ष अगाडि पठाइएको विवरणसाग

… कुनै हालतमा पनि सहमत हुन सक्ने अवस्था रहेन । उक्त तालिम केन्द्रका तत्कालीन निमित्त प्रमुख

म. से. बबी खत्रीले हुादै नभएको कुरालाई अतिरञ्जित तवरले कपोलकल्पित कुराहरू लेखी लेखाइ

घटनाको झुठो विवरण … पठाएको” भन्दै सो प्रतिवेदन ठाडै अस्वीकार गर्‍यो । कोर्ट अफ इन्क्वायरी

बोर्डले महासेनानी बबी खत्री, सहसेनानी सुनिलप्रसाद अधिकारी र सहसेनानी अमित पुनविरुद्ध “सैनिक

ऐनबमोजिम कारबाहीको प्रक्रिया अगाडि बढाउनुपर्ने” सिफारिस पेश गर्‍यो ।

SIDSTER PLEASE DON'T SHOW THAT YOU ARE A MORON

Ten years after the Maoists started their armed insurgency to get rid of the monarchy and establish a communist state in Nepal, more than 12,000 civilian have been killed, 300,000 people have been internally displaced. The Moaists lead by Dr Baburam Bhattari and Prachanda, have shown that they have no regard for human rights since the early days of their campaign. Please allow me to present before you some of the crimes committed by the Maoists.


2006
February 7: Five soldiers were killed and three sustained injuries when Maoists launched a massive attack in Dhankuta targeting the district administration office, regional administration office and all security agencies in the district.

2005

August 27: Seven persons traveling in a passenger bus from Kathmandu to Dang were killed and three others sustained injuries in an explosion at Surai Naka section on the Mahendra highway at the border of Kapilvastu and Dang districts.

August 26: Five SF personnel were killed and two others were injured in an IED explosion at Khairanpur in the western district of Kapilvastu.

June 14: Maoists kill seven family members of police personnel, including three women and a one-year old child, at Attariya in the Kailali district.

April 16: Maoists kill ten civilians, including a child, at Baragdawa in the Somni area of Nawalparasi district.

April 9: Insurgents attack the District Police Office, an Army battalion, district prison and also burn some Government offices at Charikot, headquarters of the Dolakha district, and freed some 30 prisoners from the prison.

March 6: A group of Maoists kill five civilians, allegedly members of an ‘anti-Maoist retaliation group’, at Kudarmatewa village in the Kapilavastu district.

2004

August 26, 2004: A group of 50 armed Maoist insurgents shot dead a former Chairman of Dhanusha District Development Committee and Rashtriya Prajatantra Party (Nationalist) leader, Badri Bahadur Karki, in the Bharatpur area.

March 20 - 21: In a Maoist attack on the District Jail, Office of the Chief District Officer and Army Camps at Beni Bazaar in the Myagdi district, at least 51 security force personnel, including 33 Royal Nepalese Army (RNA) personnel, and 20 civilians are killed.

March 3: Maoists insurgents, numbering around approximately 1500 to 2000, attack Nepal Telecommunication Towers and kill 32 security force personnel in Bhojpur district.

January 15: Maoist insurgents kill the Mayor of Birgunj and member of the Rastriya Prajatantra Party (RPP), Gopal Giri, at Bahuaari in the Birgunj district.

2003

The Maoist behead journalist Gynendra Khadka in September infront of school students, because the was writing against them and their policy.

January 26: Armed Police Force chief Krishna Mohan Shrestha, his wife and bodyguard are killed in an attack by Maoist insurgents in Kathmandu.

2000

February 7: Maoists waylay a bus in Dolakha district carrying Polish tourists and rob them of approximately US$ 5,000 in cash. This is the first major incident by Maoists targeting foreign visitors.

1999

March 5: Communist Party of Nepal––Unified-Marxist-Leninist (CPN–UML) leader Yadu Gautam is assassinated by Maoist insurgents

Raju...you are proving yourself an intellect by listing more tortures and killings and justifying the killings on your side ..... . Trust me Army has wiped out villagers in the name of killing Maoists and tortured innocent people including children just like Maoists have done.

If you are willing to take the Army Brand glasses off your head you will see that both Army and Maoists are equal bastards and yes out of 13000 deaths UN has said Army is responsible for half of it.

Nothing justifies killing of a 15 year old girl from torture. This does proves that Army is nothing different than Maoists.

Sid

It justifies ......yes it justifies whether that is that innocent little poor girl brainwashed by maoist ultimately being killed or whether that innocent little iraqi girl who was raped by US army and finally killed along with her mom, dad and two sisters ..everything will be justified with time
That bastard who raped and killed that innocent girl in iraq was prosecuted for a life time in prison without parole ...similarly that army personal under whose leadership that innocent brainwashed 16 year old nepali girl was killed will eventually get required punishment for what he did just wait for a while ....but what about your Baburam and prachande ji I am so eager that one of his brainwashed comrade finally realizing who they are ....blows their head offff ....i am so eager for this things to be justified ....u know sid ...


and sid one more thing tell me what justifies this ----

June 14: Maoists kill seven family members of police personnel, including three women and a one-year old child, at Attariya in the Kailali district.

OK WHY THEY KILLED THIS POOR LITTLE GIRL(1 YEAR OLD CHILD) ?
Oh ok they might have fired in darkness so that one yearold kid got shot ...oh they might have felt pity for her ....oHHHHH what this poor littlr fella would do ...since she doesnot have parents lets sent her to the place where her parents have gone a while ago haina ta .......MAOIST SUCKS

and lastly don't come to your usual conclusion .....BOth are equal ? ...coz that's not the answer what this post wants ....and that's the sign of person with now farsightedness and lack of vision ....
Raj

Raju,

I am not here to advocate Maoist party unlike you are advocating Army. I dont give a rats ass about any of the political powers in Nepal.....i have not alliance or pity to any of them....none of the parties are dearer to me than the other....i want baburam, prachanda, Girija, katuwal all tried for crime against humanity. they are all murderers.

Phonies in sajha advocate for one or the other power becasue they have vested interest in that party. Grow up...you are too young to get my point. In your definition anyone who is against Girija, UML and Army is a Maoist. If you are able to see them without any prejudice you will see they are all nothing but murderers.

Sid

And yes the Army did punish Babu Khatri...he got 6 months of probation and no promotion.....lol what a bunch of phonies...at least maoists pretend like they are looking for the murderers of Ramhari and such. Nepal Army is such a joke, one of my neighbour was some big time Army officer and he used to call Lower level army personell to his house to wash his wife's clothes. I have seen what these Army people do to get to the position.

What a waste of money and resources, nepal should desolve Army and let Indian Army run Nepal, at least the Nepalese tax paying wouldn;t have to pay for those Nalayaks.

Sid

SO IF YOU ARE NOT ONE OF THE PONNIES OF MAOIST WHY WOULD YOU COPY THIS STUPID HATE THREAD FROM GOOGLE AND PASTE IN THIS BLOG TO TELL AGAINST NEPAL ARMY ....TELL ME IN HUNDREDS OF THIS POST WHERE YOU HAVE GAVE ANY STRONG POINT THAT SAYS MAOIST ARE MURDERERS ...YOU DID BY TELLING THAT INNOCENT MAOIST BRAINWASHED GIRL WAS KILLED BY NEPAL ARMY TO SPREAD HATE AGAINST NEPAL ARMY BUT YOU ADVOCATED BABURAM COLLECTED MILLIONS OF REVENUES TO SPREAD THEIR GREATNESS KNOWINGLY THAT YOU SAY THEY ARE MURDERER ....YOU ARE ONE OF THE PHONIES BRO .....IN REALITY I AIN'T TOO YOUNG MATTER OF FACT YOU NEED TO GROW UP AND TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHAT IS RIGHT AND WHAT IS WRONG ....YOU SHOULD KNOW THE FACT A SNAKE ALWAYS BITES DESPITE YOU FEED IT WITH MILK ...OK ....

You are right i refuse to feed any of the snake while you seem to like Army snake more than any other snake.

I have been calling Maoists murderers from the beginning of this thread.They should be tried for crime against humanity along with Kattuwal. I know what is right and wrong. Unfortunately in this case there is no right. We have two wrongs. I am saying there are two wrongs and you are saying there is one right and one wrong. To me all are equal bastards and to you one is good and just the other one is bastard. I have seen your thread where you have praised the Nepal Army.

I have not supported Mao party or other leaders in Mao party but yes i do believe that Baburam has been the most competent finance minister in Nepal so far regardless of his past and i am judging him for his work he has done for the finance ministry. Baburam is no longer a Finance minister and i have nothing to do with him anymore until he does something constructive again. I dont care about his political ideologies. I just think he did a good job as a finance minister. I am not in anyway spreading the greatness of Baburam as a political person. Because i am smart enough to know that supporting any of those murderers refelects on your intellect.

Sid

Yes i attached this news (the one you call hate thread because it makes Army look bad) in the thread to prove that all of these powers are made up of same stuff. Murdering and prowling for power.

Sid