A tribute to Gurkhas!

Samsara, it was nice of you to understand and appreciate the hard work and sacrifices made by these people. These people were brave to take that extra mile for their families sake. It's a cruel world and surviving here has become even harder. Sumedhu, I understand your frustration about the current situation of Nepal. America and UK are developed countries and you know how hard life is out there too and people are seldom happy lol. People are migrating to third world countries to live in luxury and abundance. Don't even start on the Indian thing because if the British wouldn't have invaded India, there would have been no India at all with no good education system and other infrastructure, probably a bunch of different language speaking countries and these people would have been still making chapatis in their huts. We have reached only the third generation being educated and please don't compare 2.5 million to 2 billion population of India. So hard to do, easy to say. I don't understand the fact why you are trying to bring out the connection between the current economy of Nepal to these people, that would be a completely different scenario. The Gurkha history has nothing negative to do with that. Go and ask the questions to the appropriate people in power, maoists to be specific. Why do you even have a problem when they brag about what they did? That was the truth and so will remain the same. Who even cares, who they worked for, we all work for someone else, don't we? Yes, our country needs our total support but unless the new generation of educated and patriotic politicians and volunteers come forward, our voices will always be dampened no matter what we do. Now if you are trying to call people to get back and reform our country, put that in a clear and concise manner, since you are so smart Sumedhu, why don't you be a volunteer and do a good job so that we can believe all you said. It wouldn't be wise enough for you to blame only these people, what about those people who are there in Nepal? Don't they have equal share of responsibiliy or duty towards their country too? A man is always judged by his past, it doesn't matter if it's a new job or a new country. People won't remember what you said or did, but they will always remember how you made them feel. At least these people are trusted around the world. That's more than reason enough to give them credits. And Sumedhu, stop posting your crap here and if you are so concerned, let us see your actions to be proud of you rather than your complaints. Uhi Limbu ko choro

Gurungemasterji,

I have no grudge against any of these people, least so about the so named gorkhali sipahi figting and dying and killing no enemies or fantomes of them  for some other masters .

My argument is that is futile to dwell on this history which has been made so needlessly glorious and we have been made to sing in its tune. I simply maitain that there is nothing as such to be happy about. It appeared there and i just wanted to give the not so rosy side of this Gorkhali myth. That's all.

Some other arguments came because so many people in Nepal or Nepali people living elsewhere now feel it comfortable to put all the blame on  hordes of  other issues like ethnicity or the like.

Yes history and past always has its bearing on the present but what if we are living a vain history of mere claims that brings no fruition to us ?

But , don't try to question me why I don't go and volunteer for something better. Why should I go ? Does not the same question look glaringly at your balnk face . Here I am refuting the claims made by a few people reminding them what they say is the only one side of the coin.It does not mean why I should or shoul not be doing. Your intelligent reasoning gets yourself ambushed there. I have my contributions to my homeland and if other people also will do the same that will make things different. I don't want to brag but let us not be foul mouthed . I am responsible and have reasons enough to be informed of my duties so be reminded of your own instead of preaching me to be a volunteer , hai ta . If you have rights to post your crap, so have others . So don't get to excited. I had thought you to be manchheko chhoro, but you turned out to be Limbuko Chhoro.

Tapainko uhi manccheko Chhoro.

sumedhu, you are mach3

oho .... kasto tension! I came to sajha hoping to see some Daivd Dhawan's movie ... but ended up watching Satyajit Ray's movie.

I would have to say that all of you guys are correct. When looking at this issue superficially, spiderman is correct; when analyzing deeply, sumedhu is correct. But to understand this issue, we need to look  both with birds-eye-view and with microscope-view.

Lets not waste any more time bashing your own kinds. Lets act.

 

 

Most of the British Army Gurkhas are not thinking about settling in UK, they already have in large numbers. So, they don't send much money back to Nepal now a days.

wow sumedhu, you spoke my mind.
priority on schooling and education.
one lahure can save kilo's of dollars a year while his friend is washing dishes in indian restaurant in usa to finish his undergrad. who do u think will lead the country when they grow ?
 

whatever fagaet sumedhu, being as ignorant as you are!!!! since you sugesset others to go aroung the world, I know for sure,that you do not even know how many countries are there in this planet called earth, and I am certain  that you don't even know where Nepal is, Do you????

You are the most miserable person that I have come across, who trys to justify ones foolishenss with his uneathical and unreasionable comments with no hard evidance of any short.

So, unless you can back up what ou are talking about, it is better for you not to talk about it.I really would like to hear your explaniation of what bravery means to you????? I hope you would atleast know what it means!!!!

Show me one negative thing,that has been spoken or said about gorkhali by any nations around the world, and justify yourself.Your knowledge about gorkhali seems to be null.

Kalpana Bhanji ta saro risaunu po bhaye chha hau. Hehe

commentator bhanja, To sit back and listen tothe utter foolishness and not respond is much more of crime than the criminal itself.he he he ha ha ha haina ta!!!

Lau lau. Aba ho nai ta bhanna paryo ni bhanji le bhane pachhi.

Taipani. I don't see anybody committing crimes over here. One was just expressing his opinions on an intense topic which matawalizz mostly ignore. Most of the people here thought Sumedhu was making fun of Gurkha's bravery. I dont see it that way. He brought out the real situation out. Education should always be the first priority regardless of race. No doubt Gurkha men have shown bravery all over the world. I think people are just getting mixed up on what Sumedhu wanted to say. Different people have different ways of looking at a thing.

sumedhu, please go on, I am on all ear.

Sajha being a public forum, everyone should be allowed to his or her view, regardless of it validity so long as it does not get out of hand and ends up too personal.

Guys and gals, if you think you like to be respected then learn to respect. In the real world, there will come a time when people will say things which you don't like to hear and you have a choice to react to it. The way you respond to it tells a lot about your peronality.

Sumedhu, though I don't subscribe to your opinion, I am more than happy to hear you out as you come across to me as a very rational and respected figure. It does take a lot of courage to go against the whole lot people, doesn't it ?

And those of you, especially the new ones, who does not know my background, I am Singapore bhanja and my paternal grnadfather faught the Japanese in world War II and my maternal grandfather faught the Indoneisan and commnist in the 60s. Currently, my father is still serving in Singapore together with my brother in law and also my own brother is currently in the British army.



Regards,
Rai

What would be your thoughts,if i was to discredit your identity and trash it.,without knowing anything about you with no facts to support the accusiassion  made.Would you still be so cool about the comments and grine about it??? If so I have no say about it.

As for me, I will always defend the honor of my countrymen and my country.Just because some idot clames to make right into wrong,has no thing to do with the education. Education shoud be constructive and not distructive. If the person who is so eager to discredit the gorkhas was well informed or well educated abot the gorkhali facts,he wold not have put such a foolish comment in the blog. Would he??????

There is a big diffrence about truth and a lie. One can have diffrent views about what truth is or what lie is but regardless of what the view is truth will always be truth and lie will alway ba a lie. Wouldn't it be???

ke kasho bhanja haina ta.

i nepaliji,

I don't want to didrespect our own Nepali people working elsewhere. we are all the same.

What I differ in my opinion with others is let us not relive the falsehood that was created to excite us in doing something what perhaps others did not like to take in their hands.

The other point is that the Lahure culture only hurls us into this endless cycle of Lahureism and makes us see things that this Lahure culture is the only thing great and attractive in the country and for our people.I have seen many talented boys and girls from  lahure families who end up in being yet another lahure or Lahre's wife. If they had adopted  the right way of thinking, they could have been far way up and better off as persons in their career path. If money is the only yardstick of success, many of these British , Brunei and Singapore lahure's famillis are able to live respectable middle class life envied by many lower class people in Nepal. We have been enjoying in feasting, barbecues,partying , drinking , ornamentation and buying jewellries and ghar and Gharedis and children in different sors of addictions lying in this slumber for eternity. Of course, there will be a few very good and decent people in our community ,too. But they are really few and far between within this overriding culture. We have not woken up from this self created cocoon slumber of so called luxury. This inhibits us to move up . Because of this we are not prepared to face the harsh and bitter reality of life. We have made ourselves like this. No bahun, Newar  or thakuri can impose any thing as such on us. Why should we fear to criticise ourselves if we are not doing justice to our potentials?

Let us not stuff the tender brains of our coming generation bhanja and bhanjis with our myopic thinking that the only success for the bahnji  is to have a lahure as her husband and the boy o be a Lahure in British army. Yes, this is an attractive job for a Nepali boy but will be them same for his coming seven generations.Let us inculcate values in our children that are univarsally cherished as worth having and let us not disseminate falshood to make ourselves feel comfortable . Because, we can not always hear good things about ourselves when we are not making attempt to be a real good. Even if our ancestors were Gorkhali Bahadurs as claimed by some fellow bloggers above, that has no meaning at the present context because our present and future being insignificant due to certain unalterable dynamics and historic ramifiations. I can not dance in this tune of self eulogising greatness when there is nothing as such visible around me.

And for those hurling abuse on me, please come up with logics. You are free to call me Bahun, dhoti, tapare or you can imagine. It gives me a nice feeling that I have so many perona inside the single me.

Abusive words on others may provide you a short term saisfaction, but does not prove anything at all. अनि भन्छन् नि गाली त कमजोड र विक्षिप्तहरूको हतियार हो । मान्छेसंग तर्क सकिन्छ अनि ऊ गालीको सहारा  लिन्छ , तसर्थ मलाई गाली गरेर आनन्द लिन चाहनेहरूलाई म त्यो छूट दिन चाहन्छु । आउनुस् मेरो कुराको आलोचना गर्न नसकेमा चाहेजति अपशव्द खर्च गरेर गाली गर्दै सन्तुष्टिको जुस सेवन गर्नुहोला है त !!!!!

This is all. I have no interest to post any further in this thread.

I don't know about the past lahure mama's but I do know about present mama's joining British Army. I never had a concept of asking them why they join British army. I rather joined them in their BBQ with chilled beer in hand. I never asked them about VC nor 2nd world war. I am neither bothered to listen to their stories about their camps. I am not offended by them discriminating Nepalese  in 2 regions. I don't ask them why their is so hatred between PURVALI and PAACHIMELI. I am lucky because i belong to MADYAMANCHAL. I don't ask them why they are selling every property of Nepal and settling in UK. I am not bothered to ask their kids why they travel in BNO rather than Green Nepalese Passport. I never ask why Biritish Army has Thakuri with caste chettri, malla and more. I never ask them why they still need brahaman to do ritiuals in Camp.
One thing i know all my mates who left for British army .............................at todays date is purely of Financial security. I know they don't differentiate Nepal in two zones like old ones. They drink lager with me joking about ancestors and having sex in U.K. Yes! definitely.........................i don't know about old lahure mama but i do know my 300 Present Lahure Friends. We love screwing women and drinking beer

The past glory days are what we all enjoy basking to. It’s the same everywhere. But for others (the portrayers of freedom and democracy: the Western World) to bring points about the heroics of these Gurkhas does indeed bring about a sense of national pride espeically since we now live in these countries. Gurkhas are Nepalis and they have brought about a recognition for our nation in free-democratic socieites (excluding muslim zealots in Pakistan and Indonesians) which we all should be proud of. Why would you wanna discredit someone uplifiting the national pride elsewhere? Though I'm not related to any lahures and not a bhanja myself, it amazes me that Sumedhu and the other haters above make no sense all. They've built this huge hypothtical sand castle of words that lacks the basic foundation necessary and comes crumbling down every time my rebuttal comes about.

Today peeps leave Nepal mainly due to economic reasons with education being a minor factor too...These Gurkhas did the same (as per something I read a while ago, during WWII, most Gurkhas were so poor that they consumed tea for the first time while serving at Brititsh cantonments). Listen, these Gurkhas were the pioneers in exporting theit labor. As far as we've all known, they were the ones who educated folks back home about the exchange rate variance where the same work performed abroad would pay exponetially more than in Nepal since we Nepalis back then were still living in a nation that was still closed to foreigners and the outside world until the mid 60s. Face it, Nepali has no natural resources or factory produced goods that can be exported to compete in the global marketplace.  The only thing we export is labor and the remittance sent back home is the major reason our economy still floats. Thank the Gurkhas for bringing that about.

Found these excerpts from The Atlantic Monthly by Robert Kaplan, May 2006:

"The toughness of Gurkha skulls is legendary," writes the historian Byron Farwell. In 1931, on the North West Frontier, when a mess mule kicked a Gurkha havildar in the head with his iron-shod hooves, "the havildar complained of a headache and that evening wore a piece of sticking plaster
on his forehead," according to Farwell. "The mule went lame."

"Now take your Gurkha," Colonel Cross (Gurkha recruiter) went on. "He's a hungry peasant with a knife who is out for the main chance. There are none finer. I placed these western hillsmen in the Singapore police, and they never failed me. The Mongoloid doesn't die easily. Plainsmen will never defeat such people in hill battles without field artillery.

I found the old Gurkhas a haunting presence, because they were sharpened, refined, exaggerated forms of the Marines and soldiers I had been befriending and describing in previous travels.

Though many Marine and Army grunts make a good attempt at approaching the Gurkha corporal's standard, the fact is that we are a softer, more complaining, less fatalistic society than the one the Gurkhas represent

Afterward the Gurkhas fought for the British on India's North West and North East Frontiers, in China during the Boxer Rebellion, in Mesopotamia and elsewhere during World War I, and throughout the globe during World War II. The British army used Gurkhas in the Falklands and the Balkans, and has used them in Iraq. They have served as UN peacekeepers in many places. Gurkha enlistees in the British military tend to come not only from the same tribes but from the same clans and families. In the 1970s forty-six sets of brothers were serving at the same time in a single battalion-the 6th Queen Elizabeth's Own Gurkha Rifles. Plying a profession at times unfairly sullied, the Gurkhas have been Great Britain's most valued mercenaries, in both imperial and post-imperial British history.

 

 

BIR GORKHALI....NATIONAL PRIDE...... SAGRAMATHA..... BUDDHA KO DESH......NEVER GOT COLONISED..... BLAH BLAH BLAH....... STILL LIVING IN THAT FEEL-GOOD WORLD? TIME FOR A REALITY CHECK..... DIRT-POOR COUNTRY ON THE VERGE OF BEING A FAILED STATE......

AND THE POSTING ABOVE THIS IS A SAD CASE OF THAT "MAHENMDRA MALA- HANGOVER".

I agree 100% with you.. Sumedhu. Thanks for such wonderful presentation. 

nice video....................

All I see is that this thread has taken a U-turn just like those threads dissing Bahuns, Newars, Shahs (using stereotypes).  C'mon, can't we all unite and see that there's no use squabbling over who's the best caste/religion/whtever out there.  As per me, its individuality that counts and labelling peeps to bring them down is plain simple foolish. 

justhuman, listen fool, I know Nepal is on the verge of being a failed state (my postings from 2006 prove that BS which you just found out today).  What has Sagarmatha, Buddha, etc. got to do with this thread?  Me and the fellas supporting the Gurkhas are giving them the respect thats due.  Bir Gorkhalis weren't the ones responsible for Nepal's failure (it was the netas and I haven't seen one damn Gurkha among them).  Blaming them for your elected officials' failure is a futile cause.  I can see all these haters turning green but they ain't got nothing on our brave mercinaries.  Jai Nepal!!   LMAO 

Sumedhu,

Good writing bro. I agree with everything you have said. I look at my folks, most of them spent time chasing girls/party/drugs during school and they are still doing that now but a bahun kid who wore chappal and shirt and did all the studying eating "dalmot chiura" for lunch everyday is an IT instructor at 25 years old. I see him becoming better in next years to  come whereas my folks will still do the same thing they are doing now and complain about Bahuns taking it all. What a pity.

I agree with everything you have said about Lahureism as well. Thats a disgrace for our country. Someone wrote that about 100,000 gorkheys died in WW I and II and none of them even knew what the cause of the war was. They were just fighting dogs. Those 100,000 deaths of young working force pushed a small country like Nepal 50 years back. I wish those Lahures had stayed home and raised Corn in the hills so that their families wouldnt have been starved to death. Just because few gorkhey's made out of the WAR doesnt mean that Lahureism is a good deal. Its time for us to wake up and fight for our own cause not someone else's.

Sid