As seen in many recent cases where people of color have been victims of excessive use of force by police, this is not about race but the inclination of police to use excessive force.

tears of a son for his father explains a lot.
http://edition.cnn.com/2015/02/12/us/alabama-police-beating/index.html
के बुज्थेय ई जाथा हरुले. बाउ प्रति माया र RESPECT भए पो. .

sojoketo
If you don't have a simple decency to keep the conversation civil, you probably shouldn't be commenting. People are arguing here but they have some logic to their arguments. Your use of language shows your intellect level and frankly I have no interest in having a discussion with you.

That kind of language might be acceptable at your house, not everywhere. If you have refutal to the logics being made, why don't you point it? Grow up. In your defense, what could one expect from a person whose last post was, "PENIS-Less Divorceguy." I am not addressing any of your point.

Kiddo,

I am not saying that law enforcement does not have the right to defend themselves in dangerous situations. They certainly do. And they serve and operate under very stressful conditions and often times than not go above and beyond the call of duty. I do appreciate and admire men and women in uniform. One for the troops!


Now,

All I am saying - and reading the article above - I do not see the law enforcement officers having a reason to pat this guy down let alone arrest him with extreme prejudice and break his back.

Lets try and look at the facts - The guy was walking down a street, maybe peering into open garages - someone thought this suspicious and reported this. Police arrive, there is a communication barrier.

Now, why does the officer now want to pat the guy down? Because he put his hand in his pocket? Because he made a sudden movement? He threatened the officer in any way? What is the probable cause here?

The officer tries to pat grandpa and he recoils - maybe is just a reflex action, maybe he is afraid - remember communication barrier?

Ok, now assume that grandpa has a huge dick and a hard-on and the officer thinks its a gun and is in "fear for his life". I assume the officer is bigger than grandpa (57 year old Indian FOB), is there a need to slam him so hard to the ground such that the guy gets a broken back? Does that not seem as excessive force? And unjustified?

In my opinion the 14th amendment is designed for such a scenario, the law enforcement officer has to demonstrate reasonable probable cause to search, detain or arrest anyone - including grandpas.

The question is, what will happen now - I think the officer will be back at his job after a reasonable amount of time, grandpa and family will get money from their lawsuit which will come in handy to pay medical bills and lawyer fees. And grandpa will go back to India with a very negative feeling of US police.

What should be done to change this? Call out the police when they act in this manner. Civil rights did not just happen in a vacuum. Nor did American revolution happen in a vacuum. It's not only our right but duty to speak truth to power and call things out as it is.

I agree to a certain point to your argument that the son should have warned the father about interaction with the police - but then he likely warned about interaction with potential hoodlums and not police.

This thing has hit home so close to me is because that could easily have been my father than some random Indian dude. My father would get bored sitting at home while we were at work and would go for a walk around town. I did not warn him about the police, never thought that I would have to.

And we should acknowledge that an injustice has occurred here and maybe the blame of the incident lies more on the law enforcement side than a guy not knowing English.

Kundale, yeah I can see that point. Basically, I am not defending the cops, I am just saying it's not as clear cut as we want it to be.

Despite all the boasting of check and balance between judiciary-legal-executive committee, I have to say that the most of the situation unfairly favors the law enforcement, i.e. the police department. Often time the burden of proof lies over the innocent who should've been treated innocent until proven guilty.
I think the advent of cell phone camera could address this inequality issue to certain extent - this is a great tool in public's arsenal. This is why many police departments want to impose a law to ban the use of cell phone camera in these cases. I am hoping for a federal mandate to allow the use of cell phone camera in public places - including in transactions where cops are involved. Until then, I am going to exercise prudence and advise my near ones to do the same.

Kiddo got valid points. Will reply to the thread later.

Sojoketo:
lets see who has more respect and love for one's dad.

This is what you will do: Based on your all posts, you will not tell your dad to not to make sudden movement and simply keep on blaming Cops that they are assholes, they need to know your dad is no danger to them or anyone. Should such encounter happen to your dad, you dad does not know what to do since you haven't made him aware of what to do and so will try to reach in pocket to take phone or phone number to tell cops to call you. Cops will think he is trying to get the gun and they will slam your dad. At the end of the day, your father gets hurt, then you will sue the Cops coz it's their fault , go to Court and get loads of money in lawsuit. You were and you will be wright, that's Cops fault and they are to blame and so you get loads of money. However, your father is hurt.

This is what I will do: I will say to my dad, "In an encounter with Cops, do not do anything, keep hands outside without moving them, just yield to them. Say No English, My Son. They will pat you down themselves and they will find whatever phone number or phone or any written address in your pocket and they will call me." In such encounter, my father does everything I told, does not get hurt, the Cops will call me and ask me about my father. I will describe them everything. At the end of the day, my father is safe and sound.

In your world, you are right, that's Cop's fault. But your father gets hurt.
In my world, I am right, I don't care about Cops, I care about my father. My father does not get hurt.
Who loves one's father more?

ny2 stop having fictitious perception...
there ain't any cop that could harm sojoketo's dad..whether he puts his hands up in the air OR inside the pocket..

kiddo,
there is nothing wrong with the post
"PENIS-Less Divorceguy."
bcoz everyone in sajha(except you) knows the fact about Divorceguy. Divorceguy is fav or all of us although
Divorceguy is a penisless guy.Divorceguy himself admitted and
declared that his pensi was chewed and swallowed by sajhasexy. So Blame it on sajhasexy
please refer to this post for the testimonials.
http://sajha.com/sajha/html/index.cfm?threadid=111515

Regarding the language i speak at home, it is a very simple nepali lanague which is not decorated by diplomatic phrases unlike the diplomats of sajha users only to show off their freaking attitude to prove themselves how correct they are even when they are favoring the culprit.

if some morons perceives himself as a superior(supreme leader of diplomacy) to be judgmental enough to disrespect the innocence of the victim, sojoketo couldn't just accept it.
kiddo, you have a serious problem of unable to accept the fact, probably due to overshadow of attitude and ego you are having within you. others couldn't help you get rid of  it unless you try yourself to eliminate it.
Good luck for that.

सार्है चित्त दुख्यो यार मेरो त यो video हेरेर. आफ्नै बा लाइ पर्या जस्तै फील भयो. गार्हो भयो हेर्न...

out of words...

When reading through comments about this news article re Madison PD (Huntsville, AL) - read a comment from Chris about how he was treated at a citation stop.

http://news.yahoo.com/fbi-probes-alabama-police-force-against-grandfather-india-211301769.html

That video is definitely so disturbing, it does not even look like he was going for his pocket, his hands were already behind. Just based on the news I had thought the slamming gone wrong, but nope, this is definitely bad tactics. These cops should definitely go to Prison.

video looks too brutal knowing that was a weak old man, good for Bobby Zindal who now learnt what happened to his dam Indians

Yep. Doesn't look like he was going for the pocket.
This is why I say cell phone camera is the check and balance we need.

Now I know some over here will say how come we change our tune. What we said was solely based on the article; video evidence so far refutes the article. In my play by play above, act 2 is violated- doesn't look like the cop had enough probable cause to slam the old man to the ground. Disgusting.

As much as the video I smell the opinion of the diplomats pathetic. Don't understand why jerk couldn't accept the f**kng truth

Instead of slamming the old man into the ground, why didn't the fucking pig just handcuffed the old man? Misuse of power. Always had a respect for police officer but after watching the video, respect jatti sabai pani le bagayo.

this should clear most of the things
http://www.waaytv.com/appnews/madison-officer-charged-with-assault-for-use-of-force-incident/article_7b09d144-b2fe-11e4-a0e4-b339eed5e1af.html

Its sad. But WHITE PEOPLE are really ANGRY  in this country.  

The problem with people thesedays is that they are so ready to give up their freedom and their rights,  and believe the police is right without giving a benefit of doubt. Even in the eyes of the law you are innocent until proven guilty. There have been numerous cases of rogue cops so the ignoramus pundits of sajha should reserve their final judgment till they see all evidence, and show some compassion to the needless victims.

Obviously, the guy who called 911 has problem. He believes he is "leaving his wife" with someone (or whoever) is walking on the street (on the sidewalk) on a public right of way.

This is painful to watch and worse than what I thought transpired. The Indian guy did in no way act in a threatening manner to warrant that kind of take down. On top of that no matter what the son had told his father about interacting with police would not have prevented this.

It is very important that things like this get called out. Sometimes things are more than merely an academic discussion.

I hope the guy who called 911 also realizes that he has some part in bringing this down. When the human thing would likely have been to just go and ask the person if he was lost or to try and begin a conversation - you know, like normal people would do - instead of calling the police and following them around the neighborhood in their trucks.

For all the opulence and strength and high living standard that exists this is a very fearful society.