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Homeyji
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Posted on 09-20-10 9:01
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Last week I was reading a series of posts from this bhai, NayaJivan. http://www.sajha.com/sajha/html/OpenThread.cfm?forum=2&ThreadID=84713
He seemed to be going through a crisis and was inclined to take his life. He posted in sajha and seemed to be reaching out to people. One of the things this bhai was saying was that he was disconnected from the way Nepalese think. For me, reading his posts, it was obvious that he was influenced by American culture to the point that he did not know how Kathmandu culture functions. Kathmandu culture is not the whole culture of Nepal, but Kathmandu culture, for obvious reasons, influences the rest of Nepal disproportionately compared to other major cities in Nepal. As sad and sympathetic as I was reading this bhai's posts, one thing that really struck me about the way this NayaJivan bhai wrote was that he sounded like someone expressing pain on Oprah. What this bhai did not seem to understand is that in Nepal, we don't have an Oprah culture. In our poor nation life is merciless to those who fall behind. If someone is in pain, we are more likely to blame them for doing something wrong. We are a nation with very few resources and we encourage our children to be baatho enough to, by hook or crook, be able to get their way. There is no room for stragglers who fall behind in our culture. We encourage them to be someone who is baatho and is able to make even a bad situation work for them. We tell them to be chaalu in being able to do office politics, business or whatever to get their way. In Kathmandu we highly respect people who can get their way in all kinds of circumstances. In fact, in many ways, these are the kinds of people we want to be connected with for 'source force.' But interestingly enough, as much as we encourage these qualities in our children, when these same children grow up and some of them become politicians who find all kinds of creative ways to be baatho at the common man's expense, we express great regret. We call these politicians all kinds of negative names like corrupt and evil. And yet, in many ways it seems that we teach our children to be baatho and encourage being able to survive in Kathmandu culture by hook or crook. How contradictory?
How much are we Nepalese responsible for the quality of politicians that we produce by the culture that we encourage? Or is this like pointing to the emperor that he has no clothes on?
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Posted on 09-23-10 10:58
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I think that our main complaint about leaders, whether they are political, business or in the bureacracy is that they are not willing to sacrifice for the sake of 'love of the nation.' We the Nepalese people feel like we can demand that these leaders *should* sacrifice their self interest for the sake of the nation. We feel adamantly that sacrifice for the sake of the nation is an unquestionable belief for every Nepali but especially the leadership. We feel that any type of leader in Nepal should not only choose to be a leader if he/she can meet our standard but should voluntarily abdicate his position of leadership if he is not willing to abide by *our standards.* Our standards (the people's standards) is that only those Nepalis who are willing to sacrifice for the nation should become a leader.
Unfortunately, most of the people that become leaders in Nepal don't give a damn about our standards. It seems that for them, the incentive of loving the nation has a very low ROI (return on investment) compared to pretending to have the nation's interest in mind...while looking out for their own. It seems that many of the leaders feel that Nepal has a very little to give to them. So it seems that sooner or later in their political life they become more interested in being able to survive untill the next election rather than sacrifice their political careers like a suicide-bomber, for the sake of the good of the nation. It seems that many of the leaders feel that no one is really looking out for them. So why should they put themselves on the line for everyone else? We have all managed to justify our own excuses. The more educated you are the more sophisticated your justification.
So in this way, all us Nepalis people are pointing to some one else. We are all pointing at someone else who we feel should sacrifice ahead of us. Even on sajha forum I have read postings where people are saying, "Don't ask me to go back to Nepal and do something. The educated and qualified people should go back to Nepal first. They should rescue Nepal and then the rest of us will go back to Nepal when everything is honky dory."
Many of us are all standing on this island called America and Nepal is looking like the Titanic that is sinking. It is a ship that is going down fast. And all of us in America are looking at this slowly sinking ship from the safety of standing on the solid ground of the American island. And we are telling each other, "Hey, you are more qualified to be captain of that sinking ship than I am. I don't have any skills that will help Nepal. So I think you should go to Nepal. Look at me, I am not that intelligent, educated, dedicated, etc. So please, you do something. I will fully support you with heart, mind and spirit. Why don't you do something?"
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Posted on 09-23-10 12:03
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Homeyji,
Your analogy is not entirely convincing. A sinking ship doesn't need the rats to come back. It still needs something colossal, something intelligent, initiatives, but I don't want to stretch this too far as I don't think Nepal is a sinking ship. We are a poor country, but we are not sinking. We left our nadir in 1950AD.
Why did I ask for intelligent people to go first? Well, it just seems that a lot of uneducated people have gone back to Nepal. My neighborhood actually have tens of people who have visited Europe, lived in America and gone back. They visited Europe in some krishi adhyayan tour. They went to Japan as early as 2020 saal. But unfortunately, they came back with defeated mentality, "we can never be like them" mentality, rather than "we are also capable" mentality.
Before 2007 saal(1950AD), thousands of Nepali sons went to Europe and four corners of the world to fight for British. They had seen the world, they had known democracy and development, but when they went back, most of them quietly lived in peace with their wives and their pensions. It is not that they didn't want Nepal to be as developed or as democratic, it is just that they were clueless on where to start.
What I see among Nepali in the USA or in Sajha is similar type of rage, but rage without any initiative. Cursing leaders is not a solution. In fact, we had lots and lots of leaders who were extremely good. Despite all accusations, it is clear that Krishna Prasad Bhattarai was honest at the core, Man Mohan Adhikari was honest and there are still lots of them around, including Sushil Koirala who doesn't have his own house or any relative to leave the wealth. Wealth and greed didn't attract these people to politics, and those in USA, who split their organizations in 50 pieces or who form organization just so that they can be 'head' of some organization here and called to grace a ceremony from dais are not comparable to these leaders.
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Posted on 09-23-10 12:45
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Pire,
You are right that since 1950 Nepal has developed a lot. But the world has developed a lot too.
Compared to where Nepal was in 1950 in relation to the world, do you feel that Nepal is in a better position in relation to the world or in a worse condition in relation to how the rest of the world has developed?
I don't see people who left the Titanic, Nepal, as rats. I more see them as the rich/educated passengers aboard the Titanic who used their influence to get out of the ship before the poor passengers could (which is what happened aboard the real Titanic). I basically see that those who could afford to escape the ship, did. And many of us, now that we are safe on the island, we are looking back at the Titanic and cursing the captains and the crew for their horrible navigation and leadership. After all, it was their negligence that caused the Titanic ship called Nepal to hit all these political and economic icebergs. We could all have been enjoying the wonderful parties and social activities and fun aboard the Titanic called Nepal. Instead, here we are stranded aboard the island called America where we are trying to figure out how to make peace among the wild and uncultured aboriginal natives aboard this island who don't speak our language. Many of the poor passengers aboard the Nepali Titanic were living in squalid condtions in cramped quarters and low quality food. Many of them, now that they are aboard the island, are actually finding that their condition is better on the American island than it was aboard the ship. The rich passengers aboard the Nepali Titanic feel quite torn. They remember the good times they had aboard the Nepali Titanic and wish life was still the same. Many of these passengers feel trapped on this American island and wish that they could be aboard the Titanic again...enjoying those good old days. But alas, looking through their telescopes the Nepalis aboard the American island can see that the condition of the Nepali Titanic continues to deteriorate and more people are abandoning ship to come to the American island.
Surrounded and overwhelmed by the strange customs and practices of the abroginal natives on this exotic American island, both the rich and poor who were on the Nepali Titanic are finding a certain kinship to each other on the American island that they did not have when they were aboard the Titanic. They find themselves drawn to each other with a commonality of culture that they wouldn't have shared if they had remained aboard the Titanic.
I got carried away with the analogy. Pire, is my analogy convincing you yet?
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Posted on 09-23-10 1:08
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Listen to this quwali in full and send to those who are after money and post.My experience with Nepalis living in North America who run tow social non profit organization and who spent much of time scolding Girija for his lust for post will follow soon if i feel energetic
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Posted on 09-23-10 1:15
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Homeyji,
I have no data to provide an unequivocal answer to your question. Some countries, like Malaysia, Korea, etc, has moved ahead. Others like Phillippines, Chile, Argentina has slipped. I think East Europeans have also lagged.
Comparatively, perhaps we haven't made progress. There is no reason to believe we made progress until 1989. I think we have moved ahead in post 1989, but I could be wrong.
In absolute term, we have made progress. In 1989, there were 951 doctors, less than 1% had access to telephone, less than 8% had access to electricity, our longevity was 47 years and literacy rate was sub 30%. Only 25 families controlled our import-export business then. Very few people had seen foreign countries and passport was a privilege not the right that we have now. Child mortality rate was one of the highest in the world. There were scarcely 2000 Km of roads, and even opening a 'goreto' and 'ghoreto' tracks used to be news in radio, which , by the way, was only one at the time. Despite war, we have come very far in these twenty years.
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