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ational reconciliation policy still relevant: KP Bhattarai



Kantipur Report


KATHMANDU, Sept 9 - Nepali Congress (NC) founding leader and former Prime Minister Krishna Prasad Bhattarai Sunday claimed that the National Reconciliation Policy of BP Koirala is still relevant.
In a press statement today, Bhattarai opined that the increasing distance between the king and political parties would only weaken nationality, independence and democratic practices.

Stating that the national recondition policy would be still relevant in coming days, the octogenarian leader has also asked the NC not to erase its own history.

Bhattarai’s comments have come after the party’s central working committee adopted a proposal for a federal democratic republic last week.

Stating that the institution of monarchy has unifying role for religious, cultural, ethnic and political groups, Bhattarai also made a point that the prevailing transitional period in the country would come to an end only through unity and reconciliation.

He added that a feeling of vengeance would only further divide the nation.

Nepal’s first elected prime minister and NC founding member, BP Koirala had propounded the policy of national reconciliation in 1976 when he returned from self-imposed exile in India.

Bhattarai, who is placed second in the party hierarchy, has been living a politically secluded life in his Bhainsepati residence. He has not attended the interim parliament since April uprising last year insisting that the two factions of NC must unite before that.

simple assertion in the end: if we were not involved in POLITICS. which regime was better

i guess this portion was skipped and hence all the backfire.


CH,
do you think common citizen of nepal really care about who is the PM. how the monetary system work or should work.
Politicians are like chameleons changing sides and colors based on their personal needs and aspirations.

keep it aside and please think about NORMAL NEPALESE; who would be trying to make their ends meet either working out in foreign land or may it be as a laborer in Nepal.

LooTe,
as i mentioned its the best I could do from a simple nepali as a student. as someone who has/had seen frustration in the face of parents. where should i send my kids. nepal ma ta schools are closed 33% of the time. i need to send it abroad [ india ] or somewhere else.

But anyway, as I mentioned IT WAS TRULY APOLITICAL VIEW I EXPRESSED.

bijash jyu,
whether it was calm before the storm or whatever..... for an APOLITICAL person/family place was much SAFER. quality of LIFE was better and education system was running.

IT MAY NOT BE HAVE BEEN OR IT MAY NOT THE BEST SYSTEM OR IT MAY NOT BE THE ONE MOST PEOPLE LIKE but once again IT WAS ABLE TO DELIVER COMMON STUFFS IN NEPAL.

@ LEAST Nepal HAD A FLAG CARRIER with 4 JETS.

to be honest in last 17 years we have actually GONE BACK IN TIME.
SAD but the TRUTHFUL FACT.

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once again
what do i know (O:

hahaha..
thapap,
your assertion put me in splits. what assertion? if we were not involved in politics? one does not need to be involved in politics. politics have a direct/indirect effect on people, regardless of they involved in it or otherwise. if politics of a country is running smooth, everything else will come in shape and speed, sooner or later. may be you were born in a privileged family. what do you know of nepal, i mean in practical terms. when you finished your high-school you came to US and then never went back again to work. ask a poor, ask a dalit..who have to work everyday to earn their bread, who never had their share of basic needs.

or ask someone who fared well in his education and wants to do something for the country. ask him, how many sways and turns he has to make in order to satisfy the system. ask him how things would have worked in his favor if he was from a class family or if he had enough connections.

we are in a transient phase in the process of moving towards new nepal...hustles and bustles are expected...power is being re-shed in more scientific ways..society is being restructured . some people are expected to bark. some will create confusion. some will try to revert the process. if we (assumed educated) lose our cool, then what do you expect out of a normal citizen.

note: excuse me for the possible typos and grammatical/structural errors.

isolated freak says:

"Therefore, if we are to take off our democratic mask and compare today's Nepal with that of the Panchayat, then, no matter how difficult it is to admit, we have to admit that as a state Nepal functioned properly then. Now its in a total mess."

what's left then? let's forget the fact that US or India has a democracy...now think...please do! will you be able to? let me know...don't come up with weird assumption please.

"Maybe the majority does not like the King but that does not in any way prove that the majority is against the institution. Or does it?"

hahaha....i would have bought your argument if we were where we were before '01. however i do partially agree with you there. i am for CA deciding the fate of monarchy if that is what you are trying to imply.


Talk about Sambidhan Sava, as things stand now, I don't see it happening, and even if it does happen, will the Maoist respect the verdict/outcome?

why don't you as a responsible citizen think it this way: if they won't let CA take place in time, we will revolt. we are people, we are force. isn't that what people's democracy is about...

LooTe,
once again u ARE ASSUMING SO MUCH that you are way off the CHART. i may call you my SIAMESE TWIN but the problem is YOU DO NOT KNOW ENUFF ABOUT ME. and WHATEVER YOU KNOW its ALL BITS AND PIECES.

Do you know why I CALLED YOU SIAMESE TWIN. Because WE COME FROM EXACTLY OPPOSITE BACKGROUND.

FYI, I was not born with a "SILVER SPOON" like you. plus, my parents were NOT government EMPLOYEES like yours. Unlike you I was not BORN and RAISED in Kathmandu.

this should give you enough idea as to what i know about dalits, kamaiyaas, badi and deuki...

if you have not heard about these terms then google it probably you would be able to put those places in perspective.

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once again
what do i know (O:

Dictatorship - whether Royal or democratic - is bad and deplorable. I wont argue against that. All I can hope is the elections will clear the air on that.

As for the Panchayat being more functional, it's debatable. We were a tinderbox waiting to light up under that "peace" that some might have seen on the surface. Continuous economic decline, exploding population, surge in the number of 18-35 year old males, corruption and huge disparities between Kathmandu and the rest of the country, a result of that "peace", created conditions ripe for revolution. We are getting into hypothetical territory, but I am willing to bet had the Panchayat stayed on things could have been far worse because they were in denial of the problem in the first place. Functional only superficially - to the point where the system's indifference contributed to creating problems that are likely to take decades to resolve.

That's not to say the parties dont share their part of the blame. They sure do and they should be held accountable for it by the people. But to argue the Panchayat was this epitome of a peaceful, functional system is a bit of a stretch IMO.

Did you guys noticed that he is dressed up like some bihari Daka? Panchayat is not good system but it was far better than what we have right now. It was safe for us to go out at night. Now you can't even go out, have to worry every single minute. Yeah...democracy is nice word but it is being abused in our system by our so called neta who just think for themselves. We all know they are corrupt, for example girija and his daughter who married some german guy and now trying to rule the country. We all know what she did. But hey..no one have gutts to stop 'em. The only thing thats happening is that the innocent people like me and you are suffering. If they want to kill why don't they kill Giraja and his family or those maoist family...why the innocent people...Well its our fault too..just coz we voted this ahole. I just hope someday, someone we will start thinking for our country like we used to.

Reminds me of a saying used to describe die hard Anglophiles in post-independence India: Angrej chalagaya, lekin isko chod ke gaya. Looks like we have a similar case of Panchayati blues here on Sajha. In case you missed it, the system is dead. Kaput. Nostalgia wont change a thing unless you are willing to go to Nepal and run for office. Perhaps promising a return to this really great system that even the Panchas dont seem to want.

CH,

whats wrong in being nostalgic and appreciating what it was like? you are saying we cannot even do that?

dyamn, you sound like Bush and/or Prachanda.
if you are not with me then you are against me
if Nepal is not declared REPUBLIC i will leave the Government
You EITHER support REPUBLIC or you are DEAD.

you can harp all you want about REPUBLIC and/or everything. Did i tell you to change your mind... nope nada.. so y u trying to force us from our dreams and lala land huh (O:

but i will still say.. it was better then

Oh please go ahead Thapap be nostalgic, look back all you want. The rest of us, at least most of us I think, want to look forward.

That's all.

Happy nostalgia-ing. Good luck!

:)

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hahahaha...thapap,
ouch! did it hurt?
sowie, didn't mean to perturb your calmness.

i really didn't mean to throw darts in the dark and assume things beyond my knowledge about you, but your 'assertion' forced me to and i was almost ready for your comeback but there is no doubt that you don't know much about me..:) nonetheless i am happy being your twin

coming back to the topic, i am shocked, to say the least, to see how the thought process of we educated commoners have been doing lately. i have, from some of the nepali folks at my place, listened to similar thoughts as some of you folks here in this thread have been bringing up. i have heard about nepal being under grave danger due to dirty political games by the parties and the maoists. i have talked with people with different opinions: some in favor of monarchy as well, provided if king remains within the periphery of multiparty democratic system... but none ever had second thought about panchayati system. to see it coming from folks here in sajha, that too from people whom i regard as having thougtful heads over their shoulders, is very, very sad.

if you can't see why we are where we are, panchayat might seem as the best of the systems we had. just because there were not any bandhs, strikes or other forms of objections during panchayat, doesn't mean we were in peace. it's simple logic. if we take into account the current upheaval, sure it looks hopeless to a great extent. but then, we needed to come down to zero and start from scratch--so we are. if we keep delving into past and voicing our opinion for it, we will never ever be able to move forward. we, as responsible citizens, should make sure we don't derrail from here on--that's important. it's our country and now that we have basic democratic platform, it demands more attention and responsibilty in our part to understand the situation and act accordingly. let's look forward, shall we?

again, there could be typos aplenty as i am typing everything in rush

माओवादी लाई, राजनीतिमा समाहित गरेर लानु पर्छ भन्नेकुरा हरियाली पार्टिले निकालेका हुन।
तर सबैले मागी खाने भाडो बनाए र आज यो रुप मा देख्नु र भोग्नु परेको छ।
तराई बासिको समस्या लाई पनि राजनैतीक समाधान खोज्नु पर्छ। शक्तिको सामु घुडा टेक्ने काम भने हुनु हुँदैन।
तराई बासिको माग माओवादी को भन्दा खतनाक छ।
जनसंख्याको आधारमा सन्सद रोजिनु पर्छ भन्ने माग पुरा गरेको खन्ड्मा हामी भारतको काठपुतली हुन्छोउ, अनी राष्ट्रियता पनि गुमाउनु पर्छ। आजको दिनसम्म हेर्दा , बरु पञ्चे हरुमा नै राष्ट्रियताको भावना बढी भएको अनुभब गरे। न त काङ्रेसी मा, न त माओवादीमा, तराई बासी को कुरै नगरौ।
तराई बासिको समस्या माओवादीको भन्दा ठुलो छ है। राष्ट्रियता गुमाउने कुरा छन। तेसैले होस् गर साथीहरुहो।

CH,
thank you very much for giving me some space.. phewww!! for a while you sounded like ANU MALIK... in INDIAN IDOL 3.... (O:

honestly, nobody want to be engrossed in Rembrandt but testai ho.. one needs to when u do not see light in the LINCOLN tunnel....

LooTe,
i may not know about you too much. but those three statements i made about you are TRULY CORRECT. my Err might be in including "parents" rather should have mentioned "dad" but once again i do not want to get into that gender discrimination.

so, in your opinion when we started in 1990 we were in negative territory is that it?

Let's just wait another 10 years and then we will know whether Nepal will be in pre-1990 and/or post-1990 era okie!!!

CH and LooTe,
optimist bunch. I WILL PRAY THAT ALL YOUR GOOD WISHES COME TRUE.
IT WOULD BE BETTER FOR ALL OF US.

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once again,
i wish BOTH OF YOUR THOUGHTS TO PREVAIL.

"Let's just wait another 10 years and then we will know whether Nepal will be in pre-1990 and/or post-1990 era okie!!! "

thapap,
we are responsible citizens of the country. let's make sure that, we are headed to the right direction. if you think you are misled, it's your duty to keep track of the delusion and make sure you are in the right place. if everyone starts acting together, we don't have to rely heavily on politicians alone. we are people, we are the most powerful force. don't forget that.

Most of the nepalese are sold the dream. The Neta have always highlighted the Buzz Word. Prajatantra in 2007, Bahudaliya Prajatantra 2046, Sambaidhanik Rajtantra, Lok tantra and now Gana tantra.

But what did people get. People have lost their most basic right of living without the fear. Gh***a ko Loktantra. Panchayat was way better. At least there wasnt killing.

What Kishunji says now has very little significance in Nepal's politics, apart from providing little bit of solace for desparate monarchists. Ironically monarchists are idolizing Kishunji, Sujata and even GPK these days. Bless them
On whether or not Nepal was a better place during Panchayat System, Kathmandu obviously was. But those who got accesss to Kathmandu never thought there was country outside the valley. Hence all the problems, that is now taking the sleeps away from the previously safe and secure Kathmandu basis.
Personally for me, the fall of Panchayat had opened the door of opportunities. Without 2046, I would have still been serving some Chand Babu saheb in Baitadi. Thanks to democracy I could see the world outside my village. There are atleast few million youths who have gotten their way out of the darkness. If Panchayat still existed, the opportunity would have been limited to few thousands, and I would have been one more addition to the Maoists camp. It was not my fault to have born in Baitadi, for eg.

There's no substitute for democracy. I can understand the frustrations, and thinking as if panchayat era was better. Democracy has not failed, it's just the people in politics who has brought to this situation. They will be written as the biggest losers. I don't think that all these chaos, problems, and sufferings of people would be served just by reverting to panchayat or by continuing a monarchy. If it were to happen, I'd be the first die-heart supporter of panchayat. Madhesis and all those people who're revolting are saying that they're against the monarchy. Neither will all the problems be solved just by CA election. But there's a dim hope that CA election will help to bring political stability. Even after the CA election, the politicians in the opposition will be doing 'bandh's and strikes for even a simple lame excuse. I'll say maoists and madhesis issues should be given the first priority. Madhesi problems can be handled, but I don't know about maoists.

I'd say that 2046 have opened the door for many people. The state at the time could not trust the people, that's why there was so much censorship at those time, which also resumed after KG's takeover. People are uneducated and have been manipulated; that's why there're so much chaos these days. The major chunk of blame goes the present political leaders who were said to have change their attitude during KG's takeover. The scenario looks dim, but panchayat was never the best and so was the monarchy.

We can talk the examples of RNAC (or NAC) having only one plane, reduced from four of panchayat, but how about all those planes by private airlines? Would panchayatis could ever dare to open it for the private sector? Did we've the right of information then? Kantipur may sometimes have manipulated the news, but it lets us know the information, which could never have happened with 'gorkhapatra'. Democracy, which gave the opportunity for 'kantipur' fails to bring the same in state-run 'gorkhapatra'. Would you cite the example of 'gorkhapatra' for arguing that democracy has not brought any improvements or would look little wider to be able to see 'kantipur' as well?

Panchayatis were even scared to give the permission to open NGOs. I was not from that time period. But I just think that they were too scared of their own people, and did not trust the public.

I agree with foolsparadise that much of the present chaos have arised from out of kathmandu. But the blame also goes to kathmanduites who were living with the illusion of kathmandu being the whole Nepal.

"We are responsible citizens of the country. let's make sure that, we are headed to the right direction. if you think you are misled, it's your duty to keep track of the delusion and make sure you are in the right place. if everyone starts acting together, we don't have to rely heavily on politicians alone. we are people, we are the most powerful force. don't forget that"

JANTA = MAOIST

I agree dictatorship in any form whether Royal or other is bad and I don't support that either. However, I do believe that things went drastically out of hand after 2046. Whether the Panchayati peace was superfacial or real does not matter. What matters is: we were pretty stable and a functioning state. And that's enough to romanticize that period.

Hypothetically speaking, maybe the Panchayat could have reformed itself and took the problems you listed seriously and tried to solve those. Who knows? Maybe (again hypothetically speaking) the system would have develped its own mechanism to deal/solve the problems it had created.

Now what did the parties do? I mean 30 years of Panchyat was bad but what did the 15 years of democracy gave us? What did the parties do to correct or solve the national problems?

Its always easy to preach democracy and democratic ideals from faraway in DC, NYC and Boston, but once you are in Nepal and constantly dealing with the problems created by democracy, you get quite disillusioned with the whole system. Constant load shedding, bombing, julus..nepal bandh.How long can a nation go on like this? What did the 15 years of democracy give to the people? Freedom of expression in a country whose 60% of the population is illiterate? And you can exercise that right only to flay the monarchy. gajjab cha ba!

I agree dictatorship in any form whether Royal or other is bad and I don't support that either. However, I do believe that things went drastically out of hand after 2046. Whether the Panchayati peace was superfacial or real does not matter. What matters is: we were pretty stable and a functioning state. And that's enough to romanticize that period.

Hypothetically speaking, maybe the Panchayat could have reformed itself and took the problems you listed seriously and tried to solve those. Who knows? Maybe (again hypothetically speaking) the system would have develped its own mechanism to deal/solve the problems it had created.

Now what did the parties do? I mean 30 years of Panchyat was bad but what did the 15 years of democracy gave us? What did the parties do to correct or solve the national problems?

Its always easy to romanticize (I guess this is much midler than preaching:-) democracy and democratic ideals from faraway in DC, NYC and Boston, but once you are in Nepal and constantly dealing with the problems created by democracy, you get quite disillusioned with the whole system. Constant load shedding, bombing, julus..nepal bandh.How long can a nation go on like this? What did the 15 years of democracy give to the people? Freedom of expression in a country whose 60% of the population is illiterate? And you can exercise that right only to flay the monarchy. gajjab cha ba!