Maoist have shut down newspaper forcefully which wrote against their atrocities. Now they are even taking money from the middle class family. We have so many news against maoist in sajha these days. Maoist kiling teenagers, recruiting minors (which is clear violation of human rights), killing entreprenuer, closing many companies, extorting money from even lower and middle class families.

Despite all these threads we dont see any comment against them from loote and sajha user. In few post they come and keeps barking in favor of maoist . I dont expect any reply from them in this thread as well because they are either blinded or may be busy in multiple orgy with prachanda.


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While I am not a student of history, and I do not claim to know the history of the world, I do not write just to write..and they are not outcome of any prejudice. Maoist are not my kaka or baba, nor are the tori laure nepali netas.

"If you are expecting any change from maoist , i can gurantee u there will be change but not for good.NOt good for country's unity, economy, humanrights and freedom.Poor will remain poor only way to make country progress is by democractic processes not by forceful intimidation."

While you think I do not " learn from the lessons of China and Russia" (and why the heck China and Russia?! Even if so, is it that the situation here in Nepal has to be "photocopied", and ONLY for bad things?!) or I do not know the history, I do not claim to be such a jyotis to forecast a "guarantee" that the good things will not happen just because it is Maoist. Speaking of China, I do not consider them communist, but I see how was it before the 1959 revolution and what it has achieved since then. Yes, so much ruins in many people's lives there, but was it better off before 1559? See, now it is already ready for to-be Super Power?

Never had I heard or read that government has no role on changing people's lives. Within that standard, why worry if Maoist or gyanedra rules the country? Just because people are dedicated and united, they can bring about the change? What change? Fleeing to a capitalist country to earn dollar? There MUST be a responsible administrator to guide any nation's people for that nation and it's people to progress.

When one is in the quagmire of prejudice and blindly hates or supports something, he will never see the tinge of truth in it.

Sorry, some mistake: Not 1559 or 1959:

1949, it is.

As i understand you were giving examples of how poor are going to be happy etc correct..!!!that is why i gave you the example of MAOIST china and its rural economy...and what makes make you think ...they are any different...just cause they say so
And i said read what have said in 8 points and make educated guess that is if you can .

I am not against upliftment and development..and role of govt..i believe more in to role of individuals.

I am not so baised as a person towards maoist as i agree with some their points.Prejudice is in your brain for not being able to analze the sensitivity of the current situation.

Again: "I think we can't afford to hate Maoist so much to go back to the life where Girija/Sher Bahadur/Madhav Nepal would be ruling Nepal as King's puppet and forever. The change is bound to come. And the distance between many poor Nepali, who have hard time to affording having a meal once a day and the people who have to eat hajmola chakki to digest food, has to be bridged and reduced."

you may say king king king. but i still believe king is at least 1000 times better than maoist.
for me choice will always be 1. parties
2. king


3. maoist( which is no choice at all)

and you say king and parties. have you ever thought about referrendum wether we need maoist or not.

Flips wrote:
"claiming maoists on a different league is being judgemental hoina? Ani I have not seen the revolution yet. Revolution for me would be for the betterment of the people and the country itself. What have we gained so far? Bloodshed, economic depression, poverty, hatred, division of the country, unstable condition and what not?"

To me this is easily the biggest revolution, nepal has undergone/has been undergoing in its history. If you don't see it to be for the betterment of people and nepal, then either you have been blindfolded, or you failed to grasp the crux of the problem of nepal. You are not seeing the problem that nepal has been facing and because of which we've been iterally under desolation for centuries.

-This revolution is for not only to oust the monarchy/king but to uproot the 250 years old insitution which is a major barricade for the equitable society and hence it has to be debacled.
-This revolution is not meant to kill innocent people but to induce realisation among people of nepal (especially poors and deprived ones). The realisation of what they have been missing for centuries and why. The realisation that they've got to fight for justice. The realization that is supposed to act as a wake up call for the privileged ones of our society that it is darn easy to look down upon poor but it is freaking hard for poors to look up to the privileged ones of the society.

Microsoft wrote
" why are u so much like ur supreme leader?"
I have my own idealogies and philosophies and that's what i have been living with till now. coincidentally when it comes to nepal, my philosophy and arguments tend to resonate with a person whose name happens to be prachanda.

"You know brothers who ever are maoist supporters.I have been there in the villages,seen the pain of the villagers.Your leaders have done NOTHING for the poor people."

i am a kathmanduite myself. i was born and brought up in ktm. But as a child and later as a teen and a youngster, i have visited very many places than most of you guys jabbring in this forum. i have been to cities like pokhara, birgunj, biratbnagar, dharan to relatively lesser accessible places like rolpa, baitadi, bajhang and so on. one of my closed relatives was in the then Royal Nepal Army and was killed by maoists in a clash in Tansen, Palpa.

i don't claim to have seen nepalese all over nepal and felt their pulse beat, but i know what we are missing. i have seen dalits--not only dalits even uneducated people, being used by jamindars. i have seen them literally looted by the so called privileged samantis. i realised then (10 yrs back), what is our main problem--education! we need to impart free education to those places, let people stand on their feet, let them give a chance to respite from the samantis atrocities and mental torture.

have you ever questioned yourself why this HUGE social difference in Nepal? have you ever thought of a solution?
--until and unless we have this perception that poors/uneducated/dalits have to stoop in front of rich/educated/privilged class, nothing's gonna happen. until we realise as an individual that given a chance, we can stand on our own, not a tiny rat's ass change is gonna be possible in nepal.

we talk big here. we are privileged class. we had the luxury. we got the opportunity and that made it possible to come to the world's best country in terms of literally everything. we say, nepal's development is not possible. but have you thought by yourself who is responsible for this? development, economic prosperity is not possible overnight, you've got to work hard for it. look at america. they made it as it stand today in 200 years. what were we doing in the last 250 freaking yrs, being ruled by the freaking king?

development is not possible without you or me as an individual have thoughtful mind and stout physicality to work 40 or more hours a week. how many of us in nepal have the privilege to have a thougtful mind? how many of us are educated?

education impartment is just one important thing. realisation of ethics, responsibility and love for the nation are as much important as education. the discrimination that we have in our society is not possible without having achieved both education and realisation. i would say the latter is even more importatnt for a just society. until and unless we don't have respect for each other be it bahun, chhetri, newar or any dalit our dream of a developed, peacful and propserous nepal is just a distant dream which is never gonna materalise.

how much did monarchy contribute to address this problem of nepal? how much did the democratic parties care to take care of the crux of the problem of nepal?

we rejuvenated in 2007 bs because we got the so called freedom from the ranas. what happened after that? was the social problem addressed?
we again celebrated in 2046 bs. did we develop socially after that?

the social revolution of one of a kind was ABSOLUTELY essential which in nepal came in the form of maoists revolution and it's a huge revolution as for nepal is concerned because it tend to address the crux of the problem of nepal. and people die in revolution. do you know how many innocents got killed in "jaaliyan waala bagh" incident during the fight for indian independence back in late forties? do you know how many people lost lives in french revolution? just because innocents nepali are being killed does not unjustify the bigger cause the maoists revolution itself is for. yes it is hurting. my owns have been killed. many nepalese women have been widowed. many children have lost fathers. but as long as the revolution is catering the basic need that we nepalese as a society were missing, all is well.

lastly, let's gather some more patience and wait until NA is restructured and CA is announced. once maoists envision that they are all safe from NA and possible external intrusion, they should/would disarm. just have a thoughtful mind and a bit of more patience!!!

LooTe



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typos:

-let them **get** a chance to respite from the samantis atrocities and mental torture.

-the discrimination that we have in our society is not possible **to be rectified**without having achieved both education and realisation.

loote bro,
Your name specially the kukkur part really suits you like every other maoist.Please answer these questions too.

1.What was the need to start the revolution when just after jana aandolan 2046 there had been revolutionary change in Nepal and the king was down and out and people had the power.How the hell can you say maoist raised arm against the king???? he was down and out,it was against the democracy of the people that u ididots raised ur arms and see now where u have left our country.


2.If maoist is such a deciplined bunch,who was the guy who blasted the public bus in badermooda?? where is he? what was done to him?


4.What do you say of the 20 people killed after ceasefire?? what was the need to kill the pregnant lady ?? why did u kill the congress democratic member in dang who wrote against you in blog.com.np.Dont tell me idiot that u dont know about it.

5.Lastly but not least,why did u guys burn down my NGO in achham???? Basta*ds i was only working for the poor.There are thousands like me,what do you say to them??

I would like to meet you someday.I know a few maoists in US.One of them was trying to get asylum visa applying as a maoist victim.I guess u must be something like that.U liers,stop lying and big talks i have seen and have gone through the pain of enduring you ppl and i dont want every nepali to go through it and there are thousands like me.Hold CA or any other election you idiots will be routed out.People have never liked you,never ever,its just support out of fear and when u lay down ur weapons they are going to eat you for lunch and precisely thats why u cannot lay down ur weapon.Dont blame the army for it!!

microsoft jyu,
you can call me Lootekukur--loote or kukur, i am proud of my nick. as long as i am fine, you don't need to feel ashamed.

1) What was the need to start the revolution when just after jana aandolan 2046 there had been revolutionary change in Nepal and the king was down and out and people had the power.How the hell can you say maoist raised arm against the king???? he was down and out,it was against the democracy of the people that u ididots raised ur arms and see now where u have left our country.

i am afraid but i have to say that you keep a shallow knowledge about the development that have been taking place in nepal in the last few years.

1. you say 2046 a revolutionary change but i don't see it that way. pardon me for differing with you. the king was down and out--yes! but he was well capable of standing out and imposing tyranny that too remaining within the norms and periphery of the 2047 constitution.well, that's what we saw in feb 1st 2005, right? hello???

2. yes we had great opportunity back then to go for CA and come up with more stout constitution that could cater the needs of normal nepali, deprived and oppressed ones. hell no. we came up with a rather weak constitution that was written within the periphery of palace by some of our so called leaders who failed to retort the king's message and dictation. matter of fact, they wrote what king said. what's the use of a constitution which not even leaders from all other parties could contribute in, let alone normal nepali like you and me?

3. maoists are the group of people who condemned this very act and asked for CA even then. they saw what could happen in the future if a constitution give the sovereign right to the freaking king. but no, their voice was sidelined by the so called pundits. result is what we have been seeing.

4. i urge you to read my entire post (last one) before tagging me as an idiot. you seem to have rather judgmental view about people who fought for justice. i can see who is more idiot here.

5. maoists revolution is not only against gyanendra. it's against the institution and the king as a person which despite of being in the most responsible position of the country for 250 years did not care to approach the social problem of nepal. if you don't see the problem of nepal in the form of social difference (disparity), then the problem is all yours.

6. as much as i support the cause for which this revolution is going on, i condemn the heinous acts that have been done in the meantime. i denounce murder of the innocents, looting of banks, personal properties as much as you do, perhaps even more. and i do blame maoists in that front. in fact NA is also equally responsible in this. if you don't see this, then again it's your problem not mine. as i said, lives get killed in a revolution and there are quite a many innocents that have suffered, i agree. but again, i think there are various other factors apart from maoists carelessness and inefficiency that are liable for this. people have personal grudge against each other that they tend to settle down behind the curtain of revolution. external factors can infiltrate as well. i am not saying maoists are pure in their acts. yes they have brutally murdered innocents. but you've got to see the bigger picture (the cause) for which the revolution is on rather than keeping a judgmental opoinion against them who dared to fight for the cause, which no other regime cared to address till date.

LooTe

Loote, wait until your family will be asked for donations... and teh time when they will receive threatening for not giving donations.

karmarana.
as i already mentioned, one of my close relatives (not my immediate family member but a close one nevertheless) was killed in one of the encounters with the maoists.

LooTe

dont make us laugh u idiot loote.You codemn all the things that maoists have done then what are you supporting.Like all maoists you too are a big mouth but with shallow ethics.So,typical with all maoists.

Loote, it's same as Prachanda saying again and again in interviews that he is Bhabuk Manchhe and tears came when he saw the killings... do you believe that pakhandi's words?

hahaha...well i too would like to meet you in person. while my views tend to support maoists revolution, i am too busy a person in my professional life to be a maoist or a political leader of any sort. i have better things to do, however i am an opinionated person by nature who loves nepal and i express what i feel and see.

g'night
LooTe

Think logically... a man who can command/order fatwa to kill, such as Prachanda, cries at the scene of killings???????? C'mon, don't joke.

Similarly... if your relative has really been killed by Maoists.. you would not be preaching maoists' movement and revering Prachanda murderer and Baburam mad.

Don't show your foolishness here... you think people here are idiots or what?

karmarana,
we should believe in ourselves first. if prachanda is faking in crocodile tears and come up tomorrow as a tyrannical leader then its the people with the likes of you and me who have to fight for justice. we are living in 21st century my friend and the rest of the world will support you if you are fighting for a justice. as for now, maoists are fighting for the just nepal, so let them be in their own way.

LooTe

Hmm.."the king was down and out and people had the power?" The condition of Nepal didn't change a bit, but worsened after the so-called democracy. Many middle class members of parliament begun to afford to buy pajero/prado. The betterment of MPs and handful of thula badas is NOT the power to the people.

If one is little aware about political scenario in Nepal, Maoist did raise their voice before raising the arms. They were the third largest political party in parliament. It certainly is a great courage to sacrifice the parliament seats and consequently chance to become a minister (maybe in a khichadi sarkar), but to stood and be the the voice of deprived people. Maoist raised the arms because the then government didn't address the people's problem.

There is no such a thing called "perfect war." People are killed in the revolution and bad things happen, but it will bring the change.

The so-called leaders that were never ready for the constituent assembly, thus to let Nepali people decide their fate. Why would it be Maoist who wanted CA from a long time, but not the parties?

And, to be emotionally weak and becoming a leader of revolution can go concurrently.

Loote, see the problem.. you are acting smart ashs here.. still trying to convince people writing

"if prachanda is faking in crocodile tears and come up tomorrow as a tyrannical leader then its the people with the likes of you and me who have to fight for justice".

Not IF... he is sheding crocodile tears.... we all know that.

loote mitra,
The one who fights for a just cause doesnt have to use arms,not in 21st century.Its only when u lose ideological battle that u try to overpower people.There are leftist leaders like Lula,Evo Morales who are very very good examples.They won hearts of their people with their work and won them over and won the election.Look at what your master did.How can any sane person justify that.
I dont care what darn profession yours is,u are judged by the company you keep.So,hence u are a maoist,a cancer that we soon will cut off from Nepal.CIOU brother.Go to sleep,you probably have a mission to kill a child or a pregnant lady tomorrow morning.