हैन भवानी बराल  ज्यू , तपाई ब्राह्मण भएर किन लिम्बूवान लाई १८३१ श्रावन २२ गते को सन्धि अनुसार स्वतन्त्र घोषणा गर्न सकिन्छ
 भनेर उत्तेजक  भाषण दिनु हुन्छ ?

कारण स्पष्ट छ, लिम्बुवान राज्य बने पछी बरालजी पक्का मन्त्री बन्नेछन् ।

 " बिनाश काले बिपरित बुद्धि "

बाजे ले मौका मा चौका हान्न खोजे जस्तो छ / गोर्खा-लिम्बुवान को सन्धि भन्दा सुगौली सन्धि निक्कै पछी को हो .....लौ त बराल बाजे सुगौली सन्धि मा लिम्बुवान को गुमेको भू-भाग पनि फिर्ता ल्याउनु होस् त अनि मानौला तपाइलाई.....

 Nalapani

1)Do you seriously believe in Chettris being a 'Martial" race,the "ढाल र तरवार " behind the unification of Nepal and all that shit?

2)How significant was the contribution of the Gurung/Magar during the campaign?

3)"The Feared Gurkhas"....who are they?What ethnicity did they mostly make up of?

4)You  being someone who knows history,please tell me your understanding of the Gurkha-Limbuwan war,the reasons that led to a treaty,the clauses on the treaty.

5)The intentions of the Netaji can be doubted,but have you tried understanding the grievance of the Janajatis/Madhesis?Have they been wronged historically?

6)What is wrong about identity based federalism?How will it weaken the social fabric of Nepal?

P.S I might have come across as a jerk but my intentions are pure.You seem to be pushing your khas agenda a little too much.You seem to come across as a chettri/Thakuri to me.Chettris /Thakuris come at the very bottom in the development index..Bro,so this underrepresentation of your community...who is to be blamed?Is this incompetency of your people or did the system failed you somewhere?Centuries of lost opportunity does take it's toll.I love you my Bahun people but bahunbad is REAL.

 The administrative division devised by Mahendta with Kathmandu being the centre did NOT work.The historically oppressed want "stake" at the state,hence they want states where they have a demographic advantage.Hence Limbuwan...etc.

While we are at it, why don't we revoke Sugauli Sandhi and claim parts of Nepal back from India (and give 4 "naya muluk" away)?

I think nullification of Sugauli has more merit, it was never signed by the appropriate figure (Nepali king) and it should anyway be nullified after British (who signed it) left India.

 @Daaku
I do not know what your ethnicity is but question your raised made me surprised. You sounded like you have severe lack of knowledge of nepalese history. If you know the history of Unification and recruitment of nepalese gurkha in the British/ Indian army you would not ask such stupid questioins.

Anyway, I am going to write about this for you. In BS 1616 Drabya Shah ascended to the throne of the Gorkha and started making his army. His first army head was Bhagirath panta. Pandeys and Basnets followed the league. I cannot deny presenece and contribution of magars also. When Narabhupal Shah attacked Nuwakot his army cheif was Birraj Bakheti, a magar. gorkha lost the war beacuse of flaws in Bakheti's maneuever so he dismissed him and made Maheshwor Panta head of army.

Let's talk about unification and P N Shah. The credit of first modernization and re-organization of Gorkhali army goes to PN Shah. He made 5 regiments namely Bardabahadur (Bajra bahini), Shrinath, Gorakhnath (purano), Sabuj, and Sherdal  during his reign. Only one of them viz. Gorakhnath was magar regiment gurung did not have their own regiment then (they have one now, kalibahadur gan is gurung gan which served as one of the batallion in the nepal's first UN peace keeping campaign). The major constituent of gorkhali army was khas (nowhere in nepalese history you will see word Chhetri). If you have gone through the history of Nepalese army (and you can go if you contact army head quarter and request for the archives) you should know his first priority was khas then magar. His maternal uncle Udhot Sen, the palpali prince,  advised him to recruit khas saying " Bahun ko sawari (military support )bhaneko bail (ox) ko sawari ho, patak lagchha, Thakuri ko sawari bhaneko simha (lion) ko sawari ho, ghat (deceit) garchha, magar bhaneko tangan ghoda (local horse) ho, bharpardo huncha tara alik dhilo hunchaa, khas ko bhar parnu khas bhaneko Tazi-turki ghoda ho".

Lets put this aside. Pratap S Shah, son and heir of P N shah the great, wanted to annex eastern nepal and he sent gorkhali army in the command of puran Singh Ale Magar. He attacked 14 times but failed. He came back to center with a treaty. When Rana Br shah came to power, he agian sent gorkhali army to annex Limbuwan and western sikkim in the command of Abhiman Singh Basnyat, Parath Bhandari, Shiva narayan singh khatri and Puran singh ale magar. This time Gorkhali army won the Limbuwan territory from Sikkim. Only after that Limbu and Rais got chance in gorkhali army. During the unification of western principalities Swaroop Singh Karki was crucial in the annexation of states like Tanahu. Thapa came to power only after basnet and Pandey. The thapas have the khas root but magar people also claim all the thapa generals to be magar. So, let's put controversy (Thapa) aside (there are scads of proofs to prove them as khas though). Can you overlook the contribution of Kalu pandeya, Damodar Pandey, DalaBhanjan Pandey,  Ram Krishna Kunwar, Shivaram Singh Khatri, Swaroop Singh Karki, Kehar Singh Basnyat, Nahar Singh Basnet, Abhiman Singh Basnyat, Dhaukal Singh Basnyat, Kirti narshing Basnyat,  Nandu shah, Balabhadra Kunwar, Pararth Bhandari, Bom Shah etc ? Who are they? Yes, I cannot deny the contribution of Magars and gurungs also. The 4 casts P N Shah mentioned in his divya upadesh are Khas, magar, thakuri, and Gurung. 

During anglo-gorkha war, at nalapani magar regiment purano gorakh gan was stationed in the command of Balabhadra kunwar chhetri. The only war nepal won against briton was war of Jitpurgadhi led by Ujir Singh Thapa, the commander of Sabuj gan. The sabuj gan mainly constitued khas. Sabuj gan was established in nuwakot after defeating her in the battle.

Valedictory of this part: You can project the presence of khas in gorkhali army then by looking presence of chhetris/ thakuris now. Almost 58% of army officers are of that two clans. I hope you will not awe if  I say before 1990 BS nepalese army consisted khas more than 90%. Magar and gurungs alos have great contribution in the unification battles but the greatest contribution was from khas (I AM HERE USING SAME LINE AS PROF. DR. JAGAMAN GURUNG OF CENTRAL DEPT OF HISTORY TU). PERIOD

WILL WRITE MORE ABOUT FEARED GORKHA, if khas (chhetri) are martial race or not (you made me laugh) AND RECRUITMENT IN BRITISH GORKHA REGIMENT SOON.  

India's Divide and Conquer scheme rolling into full effect. Why don't we just go ahead and repeal and rewrite the entire history of Nepal while we are at it !! 

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It is about time we stop blaming India and everybody else and take responsibility for our action. India might have various plans, many against the interest of unification of Nepal; but it will be US who can make or break our country. If we keep questioning the role of a Chhetri vs that of a Magar in the historical context, we will keep making it too easy for the "enemy," whoever that is. Why the heck does it matter who was more instrumental in the past?? What's important for the future is the present. Forget what your last name is or how long your nose is; pay attention to how wide your shoulder is and what you can do to unify this country.

 Nalapani

You throw names but you still don't make a solid case.Agreed that the officers who led the force were Khas but who made up  the majority of the foot soldiers?Don't tell me it was Khas again.Two major armed campaign(United Nepal and the Maoist War)in our modern history originated in the Magar heartland so obviously Magars played a huge role in both these campaigns which ofcourse was led  by the Khas.

All your claims are based on what was written on the book you happen to read.The modern history of Nepal can always be debated.in a country where a national anthem meant singing the praise of the monarchs,i take history books with a grain of salt..Your claim of 90% of the army population being Khas made me laugh too.Oh wait....that was after the war right?Maybe you are right than.

P.S  A military campaign originating in Magarat,whose army consisted of 90% khas.Nice story bro.

 The great contribution of Khas people in the unification of Nepal cannot be denied.I agree on that.But while doing so,the contribution of others cannot be ignored or swept under the carpet.The current and the future generations need to know how this country was unified.Altering history has it's consequenses.That was my major GRIEVANCE.Sorry for some mud slingings in the post above.

Now let's come back to the main topic.Why do people fear about ideniity based federalism?Why is that an injust cause?

LOOK AT THESE MORONS DWELLING IN THE PAST.  DOES IT MATTER WHO WAS MARCHING WHEN AND WHO CONTRIBUTED HOW MUCH 100 YRS AGO ?  IS THIS GOING TO HELP NEPAL IN ITS CURRENT SITUTATION ? NO !!
AS LONG AS THIS I AM BETTER THAN YOU MENTALITY EXISTS NEPAL IS GOING TO STAY STAGNANT. RATHER THAN LOOKING OUT FOR NEPAL THESE SELFISH PRICKS ARE JUST LOKING OUT FOR THEMSELVES.

 If only writing in caps lock and calling others "moron" would make one smarter.STFU you inbred mofo.

And you are doing any different you dimwitted twat !! lol !!

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The post,not the poster is making me laugh.It worked.Lol

@Daaku (READ ALL IF YOU WANT TO KNOW THE HISTORY)
I do not know why some people love to dwell in the delusion. I do not have any qualms about the audacity of magar people and their presence in the unification campaign but truth is truth. At what basis you are claiming magars were in the highest number in unification army? and what about maoist insurgency? I will try to clear your delusions one by one.

I've already written khas were in the majority so I do not want to repeat that. FYI gorkhali/nepali army is the improvised version of khas militia (i read this in 2nd leutinant preparation book). Not only gorkhali army army of Makwanpure sen had khas in majority (Army cheif: Kanak Singh Baniya), Tirhute state of Simara (cheif swaroop Singh Karki). Pratap malla of kathmandu also raised khas army (ask valley historians) later magar people also joined when narabhupal shah shunned magar officers like parshuram thapa and kashiram thapa after Nuwakot battle. Do you think Kirtipure army had newars? ARe you kidding me? It had khas, magar and yadav from terai. Newar people were not even in kathamandu army except nagarkotis (a group of newars who changed themselves to Nagarkoti and joined Malla Army). Please do not asssume Gorkha army used to recruit officer then directly. Every officer had to come from sepoy level and survive tha wars. Even Amarsingh thapa joined as sipahi and became badakaji

about maoists insurgency read dharke bro's post somewhere last week. Unlike the rumours of magars to be in the highest number you will surprise yourself to see magars to be in 3rd position after bahun and Chetri. And this articel is written by JB Pun Magar. So no more discussion on this.

Most Feared gurkha....by your question if khas/chhetri are of martial race or not I am damn sure you know nothing about the history of gurkha recruitment. You all heard from your society (I assume you hail from british army family background).

gorkha recruitment in british army began even at the amidst of Anglo-nepal war. Many gorkhali recruit boys escaped gorkhali army and joined british army for better facilities. British this way had already raised two batallions namely Malaun and Naseeri (means Friendship) until 1815 AD. When Sugali treaty was signed in 1816/17 british formed two more regiments, Sirmooor and Garhwal regiments. Sirmoor mainly consisted magar while Garhwal regiment consisted Garhwali and gorkhali khas.[now yourself decide khas a martial race or not]. Later, sirmoor was changed to 2nd and 8th gorkha regiment, while gorkhali khas were seperated from garhwal regiment and made 9th gorkha regiment in 1823 AD. FYI 9th gorkha regiment is purely a khas (Chhetri+ thakuri) regiment which still exist in indian army while 4th gorkha was magar gurung regimen.. Rai and Limbu people got their own regiment 11th GR only in 1948 AD.  

In 1858 soldiers of east india company mutinied so british sought help from nepal. Junga bahadur on his own commanding took around 10000 armies from 1st rifle (to enlist in 1st rifle one should be almost of 6 foot height, you know which race in nepal can have that height) which formed one wing while rests like Simha nath, devidutta, gorkahnath etc formed other wing. Do you know who was the most honored soldier in that war? Gambhir Jung Rayamajhi Chhetri of Palpa who was promoted to colonel from soldier. 

Nepal and british gorkha jointly fought 3 wars with Afghan massod. Khas soldiers were always an integral part (SUBEDAR CHANDRA BAHADUR KARKI got military cross in 3rd war). 

I am not hesitant to say British Gorkha is overrated. After indian sepoy mutiny british dismissed many races like bengali  from india from martial race. Since Shikhs and Gorkhas showed their loyalty they depended to them two races. So, they coaxed gorkhalis to be the bravest of the brave. What is the ground to measure gorkhalis to be the bravest of the brave? most feared and most brave?  Do not tell me Victoria cross please. Nepalese have got 13 Victoria cross (1 rai, 1 limbu, 3 gurung, 1 ghale, 1 chhetri, 5 magar, and 1 ganju lama is not even nepalese he was sikkimese bhutia who changed his surname to lama to enlist). We are very good at self praising. Do you know how many VC Indians have won? 27 bro. Punjabis alone won 15. Garhwali khas won 4 VCs. But they never brag about it. 

In WW II chhetri and thakuri combined outnumbered the rest of the nepalese in british's service. (Prof. Surendra KC has showed this data refferring to nepal army)



If you have any other question feel free to ask. I am here to share with you. 

Dalley Magar kati karai ra...??

Afu kehi garney haina, mero bajey ley esto garyo, baraju ley usto garyo vanyo ... basyo...thuikka.. They keyword right now is "Unity"-pay attention!!!!

 @ Bathroomcoffee

If answering someone's question makes one a moron then I am one. 

I am not a chauvinist of my race/ caste but an amateur of history. I am a chemist who likes/ reads/ knows history more than chemistry. Is it unfair to share things you know? 

And Daaku, I am not a champion even of federalism  in Nepal, put ethnicity based federalism away. Haha...But at least I am not double standard like many of you who make hue and cry about jatiya sanghiyata but when comes to the Karanlai region you people have problem with name KHASAN. FYI I feel more proud being a nepali so I do not want any khasan or any waan. 

And, I am not pushing any khasan agendum here. I just presented few data/ facts that disqualifies chhetris as oppressor and all janajatis as oppressed. That's it.

JAYA NEPAL 

 I am not interested in what we fighting for but Nalapani bros post were worth reading....citing some  source wouldn't hurt either!