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prajatantra
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Posted on 01-20-06 5:41
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Let us see how long will king be able to save his ass using his Royal Slave Army. You can shut down Nepal for months, you can force martial law but you can not supress our desire for republic state.
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prajatantra
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Posted on 01-20-06 5:48
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Questions to royalist: Give me one single reason why monarchy should be left behind in Nepal? ** I do not want any bullshit comments, but you are welcome to do mature debate or discussion. ** What has monarchy done to Nepal so that it should be left behind? How is king's rule different from last 12 years rule of parties which you denounce? If a prince with criminal record can become king, why can not an honest nepali be President? Gyanendra distributes empty promises to poor nepalese during his district visit, but sucks up salary 10 times more than an American President. Has he ever promised those nepalese to at least built a school in village with his private fund? When many of us far from Nepal put so much of effort and hard earned money to help Nepal and Nepalese people, why can not a King with all his power and wealth help single Nepali? No matter how hard you try to prove, these monarchs are nothing but selfish jackals, sucking our blood and money. Being supported by people who can benefit from them, so called jamindars, ranas and other blood suckers.
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mysteryman2055
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Posted on 01-20-06 6:21
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Prajatantra, No freaking Royalist will come answer your question cos they have no answer to your questions....Man, this is a PUNCH on the faces of those freaking jackasses who keep supporting that Fatass G.
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Upendramansingh
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Posted on 01-20-06 6:31
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Prajantra, r u a freak or what? Who u think u r? I am not a monarchy supporter or chamche but man u r talking like u know all the bullshit going in the country. Dude watching whats going on n talking abt it is different then what u experience when u r physically in Nepal. Who u think u r marking to be president? Baburam, Prachanda or corrupt Politician? As i said i am not king supporter but what else u do when maoist and corrupt politician try to guide us to death. I know u will definately comment on my comment but Mr. better not to try to make us believe what u say is right. F**ing politician do Nepal Bandh and JULUS 20 days a month, dont u think that will hit nepalese life and u r commenting for 1 day "day long curfew". All i can say is "Never judge anything unless n until u know." Jai Nepal Jai Desh Jai Nepali
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sajhabusaima
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Posted on 01-20-06 6:48
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upendramansingh what is your point then ? what is the soluation do u have except democracy?
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prajatantra
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Posted on 01-20-06 6:49
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Hello Upendra ji, Definately I will answer to your comment back, even though your dirty mouth could not do complete mature arguement, but you tried... As far as me being in Nepal is concerned, I was in Nepal till last year and I was there when king took power first time. Now you ask how will corrupt or killer politician will help nepal? my counter question how has you corrupt and killer monarch helped so far. He took power 2 years back increased his salary by 10 times, brought all corrupt smugglers and criminals in his cabinet. His army brutally murdered 12 people in nagarko, made 100s of people disappear. How different is king from prachanda? how different is his slave army from maoist army ? As far as choosing president is concern, he /she will be president by our mandate not just because he took birth in a Shah or Ranas family. Every capable nepalese will have equal chance. He/she will have to go back for mandate in every 5 years so they will be liable to common people. IT SEEMS LIKE MOST OF US ARE AFRAID THAT BY GOING FOR REPUBLIC NEPAL, WE WILL OPEN DOOR FOR CORRUPT LEADER TO BE PRESIDENT, BUT HOW CORRUPT CAN ONE BE MORE THAN GYANENDRA WHO INCREASED HIS SALARY 10 TIMES WITH IN 2 YEARS OF POWER? HOW CAN ANY ONE BE MORE CRIMINAL THAT PARASH WHO HAVE KILLED COUPLE OF POOR NEPALESE AND GOT AWAY WITH IT USING HIS UNTOUCHABLE POWER? Time has come to bring all of them to justice. IF YOU CAN ACCEPT A STUPID FOOL LIKE PARASH AS KING JUST BECAUSE HE TOOK BIRTH IN ROYAL FAMILY, WHY CAN NOT YOU GIVE CHANCE FOR A COMMON NEPALI TO BE PRESIDENT? AFTER ALL HE/SHE WILL BE ELECTED BY 30 MILLION NEPALESE I know political parties did not rule nepal well in last 12 years, but they were not worst than 107 years under ranas, or 30 years under panches or this 2 years under gyanendra. Nepalese have right to choose their leaders and they should be allowed to exercise their right, by nepalese I mean every nepalese from Mechi to Mahakali not only Nepalese in KTM. If king and his supporter are so confident that king has majority of public support, THEN WHY THE HELL ARE YOU AFRAID OF PUBLICE REFERENDUM? LET US GO FOR FAIR POLL AND SEE WHOM DOES NEPALESE PUBLIC SUPPORT? Remember maoist did not get created in vaccum, they took advantage of social imbalance nepalese rulers and landlords had created.
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khadka010
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Posted on 01-20-06 6:56
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Prajatantra and mysteryman2055 neta haru le army aafno haat ma nahunda ta etro lut paat machhayo... jhan raja lai hataera sabai power aafno haat ma bhae pachi neta haru le yo desh bechna dherai time lagdaina... india lai desh ko bhau ta lagai sakyo aba khaali bechna mattra baki cha nepal yo machikne neta harule... so if there is a reason u want to know why we need king in our country is to save this country from being sold to the indians by its own so called leaders.... and finally as people like you are calling people like me royalists or chamcha of king and whatever... what if i call people like you aafnai aama bechne dalaal....
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prajatantra
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Posted on 01-20-06 7:05
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We have been ruled by this selfish jackal for so long and most of us do not even try to think nepal without monarchy. If it happened in France, if it happened in afghanistan, if it happened in Iraq, why can not it happen in Nepal. THERE CAN BE NO SYSTER MORE CORRUPT THAN ROYAL SYSTEM (THEY SUCK OUR TAX MONEY JUST TO SIT IN LUXURY PALACE AND DO NOTHING) ANYONE CAN BE KING NO MATTER THEY HAVE CAPABILITY TO BE LEADER OR NOT. Lastly, go back and read history book nepal has always been victim of mad King and princes. For these so call "royal" people life is just luxury, wine, dine, drugs and woman nothing else.
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Birbhadra
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Posted on 01-20-06 7:08
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I FULLY and wholeheartedly support prajatantra's view. way to go man you took word out of my mouth! 21st century ma ayera raja saja pani bhanne huncha? wahiyaat tyo pani sansarko sabi bhanda garib deshma. i can't help but laugh when people say timiharu USA ma basera nepal ma yesto hunu paryo usto hunu paryo bhanera huncha? hami ja bhaye pani we are still Nepali citizen and we still have that priviledge. ani hamile bhaneko nahune bhaye tyehi nepalmai bhako nepali harule ganatantra magira chan t khoi ta ganatantra ako. ganatantra sabai nepali ko chahana ho. sabai bhanna le majority
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prajatantra
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Posted on 01-20-06 7:13
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your idea about Nepal being bought by India is day dreaming. In this 21st century that will never happen. Again if you go back and read history book, you will find monarchs have sold nepal to India and China more than political leaders. Tribhuwan went to India and compramised with India to get rid of Ranas and Mahendra went to China and compramised to get support for his 2017 move. If your royal regime is so determined about securing Nepal why can not it stop the advancing Indian army in Nepalese borders then, they are eating up nepalese land more faster than they were doing that 12 years ago. This accusation of selling nepal is just a day dreamt allegation spread by royal regime to implant false fear in nepalese. BTW MONARCHY WAS NEVER AND WILL NEVER BE UNITING FORCE FOR ONE NEPAL, CURRENTLY NEPAL IS DIVIDED DUE TO MONARCHY. ROYAL CLAIMED THEY UNITED NEPAL, BUT ACTUALLY THEY SUPRESSED THE VOICE OF MINORITIES TO PROVE THEIR FALSE CLAIM
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khadka010
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Posted on 01-20-06 7:13
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you dont need to go back to long history my friend... just take the example of afganisthan as you said... after the king who ruled there??? if you dont know it here is the answer... the talibans... and i hope i dont need to tell you how they ruled there.... and talking about it working in france... thank god it didnt had leaders like ours and more importantly randi ko choro indians right beside them just feeding on the leaders to sell the country to them.... and some supporters like you of those aama bechuwa dalaal netas.....
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prajatantra
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Posted on 01-20-06 7:17
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you do not get the point, you think gyanendra is against india, no he is just trying hard to get indian support. he will do anything to get that. hahahah once you have nothing to argue name calling starts, thats how royal regime rules, just try to supress the voice no matter how you can.... future will show soon who is ra**di ko choro and who is dalal.
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prajatantra
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Posted on 01-20-06 7:22
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As far as afghanistan is concerned it failed not because king was kicked out, but becuase Taliban ruled it autocraticaly under their dictatorship. Same is true for Iraq. If we do not take proper action nepal will be same to. King and maoist can never come to consent and there will always be war. But if we strip both king and maoist and bring democracy back compramise can be reached. One thing is we have to make sure this is democracy that addresses every nepali from mechi to mahakali and gives equal power to every nepali.
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khadka010
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Posted on 01-20-06 7:24
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just tell me prajatantra how do ya think the problems of the country is gonna go away and we will have a better country after the king is thrown out of the power... and all the people's right your are talking about and democracy... just tell me what is the base in which democracy stands... if i'm not wrong its election... now ya tell me brother who has called for the election and who are trying to run away from it... again if i'm not wrong its the political parties and maoists... now tell me who is in the favor of people's right and democracy and who is not.......
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sajhabusaima
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Posted on 01-20-06 7:26
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कसैको निन्द्रा उडेको छ ,कसैको दिमखको फ्यज उडेको छ र नउडोस पनि कसरि पाप धुरि बाट कराउछ भने जस्तै हजारौ नेपालि का रगत पिएका यि मानब रुपि उपिया र उडुस हरु लाइ आज त्यिनै रगत पिउन दिने मानब हरुले बस्ति बाट निकाल्दैछन। यतिखेर यि उपिया र उडुस हरु नेपालि जनता को पैसा मा पालिएका बुङ्गुर हरु सँग हेल मेल गर्दैछन कि कतै यि बुङगुर हरु ले पनि साथ नछोडिदियोस र सिधै बस्ति बाट आर्यघाट को बास बस्न नपरोस भनेर रे। देस को शान्ति सुरक्षाको बाहालि गर्छु भनेर उफ्रने यि उपिया र उडुस का साहारा मा उडने गिद्ध हरु बिबषताले बिरालो ले गु लुकाए झै लुकदै हिडनु पर्ने दिन आइसकेको छ वा भनु कसैको साहारमा मा बाचेका छन अनि यसैलाइ अर्को भाषामा भन्नु पर्दा डिस्याबल हरुको जमात भएको छ , जो भुषया कुकुर जस्तो भुक्छ, मलिक को जुठो को प्रतिक्षा गर्छ र सधै सिनु को खोजि मा दौडन्छ। न त यि ऊपिया, उडुस लाइ थाहा छ न त यि डिस्यबल हरु को जमात लाइ नै थाहा छ , आज जसरि बन्दुक र बल को भर मा बुल बन्द आबाज हरु लाइ छेक्ने असफल प्रयास गरिदैछ त्यि जोइटिङ्ग्रे नेपालि जनता का पैसा बाट पालिएका साहि भतुवा हरु मार्फत यो चाडै नै बिफल हुने छ त्यस पछि का दिन हरु भनेका नेपालि जनता को हुने छ न त यि उपिया र उडुस हरु ले ठाउ पाउने छन, न त यि गिद्ध रुपि हिजडा हरु लाइ कसै ले सुन्ने छन।त्यसैले यि उपिया र डिस्यबल हरु लाइ समर्थन गर्ने हे बन्धुहरु एक पटक नेट मा पढ प्रजातन्त्र को बारे मा वा लोक तन्त्र को बारे किन र कसरि हामि लाइ यो चाहिएको छ बन्ने बारे मा कि बेला मै तिमि हरु को ट्युब लाइट बलोस , नत्र भने पछि हरुवा जस्तो भएर पछुताउनु को कुनै अर्थ रहदैन।बा उपिया र गिद्ध हरु लाइ समर्थन गर्ने हरु लाइ म के भनेर सम्बोधन गरु याहा ।
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Posted on 01-20-06 7:28
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fully agree with prajatantra. What I see here is the so called royalist can not defend their answer with logic. Rather they put obscene(like machikne) word to keep their baseless points. They say netas will sell the country to India. First the point is baseless but even if it happens this will be far better than suffer under autocratic regime. As truly pointed out by prajatantra why the prince would become a king just because he was born as a son of king? And why not a capable common nepalese people? We all have seen that country who are developed follow democratic rule. And worlds poorest country like nepal is poorest because it has seen only autocratic regime. But I think the discussion will continue because u all have heard "a dog's tail does not become straight even if u keep it under stone for years". There r people who simply donot want to change their attitude. What can u do with them? Hear them till they can speak.
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Birbhadra
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Posted on 01-20-06 7:47
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khadkaji, tapai kati basrako manche ho. sorry to say you sound so childish. every glitter is not gold bhanya jastai every election is nnot democracy. china ma pani taelection huncha ni tara party bhitrai janata le gardainan tyesaile tyo prajatantra hoina. sabai political parties harule bahiskar gareko election kasari prajatantric huncha ra. la yehi sajhamai garauna ta voting ganatantra versus rajtantra herau kasle jitdo rahecha. praja tantra open a new thread since you started it and ask everyone to vote ~Bir
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Dhara 127
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Posted on 01-20-06 7:56
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Prajatantra just said he is ra**di ko choro and a dalal. He should not say such things in sajha.
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Posted on 01-20-06 7:59
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khadka010 जि देसको जति प्रतिशत नेता हरु ले भ्रष्टाचार गर्थे त्यो भन्दा कयौ गुना पैस दरबार जान्छ बिभिन्न बाहाना मा न त त्यसको कुनै लेखा जोखा छ न त हिसाब किताब (किनकि अहिले सम्म राजा भनेका भगवान रुपि थिए र उनले गरेका सबै काम कानुन भन्दा माथि को थियो: (हाल न्यायधिस ओझा), तपाइ यहा एउटा लाउडा वा धमिजा को कुरा मा अडकिनु भएको छ तर तपाइ ले सोच्नु पनि भएको छैन बार्षिक कति पैसा दरबार जान्छ र जुन जनता को टाउका मा ऋण भएर अडकिन्छ । अनि अर्को कुरा तपाइ हामि नेता बिग्रे का कुरा मच्चि मच्चि गर्छौ र तिनि हरु लाइ बिगारन हामिनै गएका थियौ पेसा लिइर त्यिनि हरु का ठाउ मा हजुर यो काम गरिदिनु पर्यो भनेर । अहिले उनिहरु ले भनि पनि रहेका छन कि हामि बाट गल्ति भयो भनेर । ल यि बिग्रे वा गुहिए तर यि भनेका १० बर्ष का लागि हुन बढिमा त्यस पछि अर्को पुस्ता आउने छ । हामि ले प्रजातन्त्र को राम्रो सँग उपभोग कहिले पनि गर्न पाएनौ जहिले पनि दरबार ले नकारात्मक भुमिका खेलिनै रहयो। अमेरिका , यु के को कुरा गर्नुस बा अरु बिकसित देस हरु को कुरा गर्नुस सबैमा यसलाइ राम्रो सँग हुर्काइएको छ तर हामि का जहिले पनि जरा देखिनै निमोठने प्रयास भयो। आज सम्म यदि तपाइ ले सच्चा दिल ले भन्नु हुन्छ भने कति वटा परस ले हामि जस्ता साधारण नेपालि मारेको देख्नु भएको छ ,खै त कार्बाहि झन प्रमोसन भएर राजकुमार। तर तपाइ वा म गएर मारु त पारस त दुर को कुरा उनका चम्चा वा उनका आफ्नत लाइ तपाइ लाइ त्यहि मार्छन किनकि हामि भनेका जनता होइनौ रेति हौ र उनिहरु भनेका हामि का मालिक हुन र अहिलेको युद्ध भनेको मात्र प्रजातन्त्र को लागि होइन समन हक र एउटा मुक्ति को लागि पनि हो । हजुर को प्रस्न म हजुर लाइ नै दोर्हाएर सोध्न मन लाग्यो कति जना मान्छे जुनाब मा उठदैछन र काठमान्डौ नगरपालिका मा को उठदैछ थाहा छ तपाइ लाइ? यो भनेको त १७ साल र २०४६ साल मा हाम्रा बाउ बाजे लाइ जसरि झुक्कयायो दरबार ले त्यसरि नै झुक्याउने चाल हो , त्यो भन्दा अरु केहि पनि होइन । युद्धमा होमिएका नेपालि जनता लाइ चुनाब को नाटक रचेर युद्ध रोक्छु भनेर दरबार ले सोचेको खेल हो तर दरबार अहिले हारि सकेको छ । यो प्रस्न को उत्तर गोगल.कम मा खोज्नु भए मा हामि ले दिने भन्दा तपाइ ले धेरे उत्तर पाउनु हुनेछ। all the people's right your are talking about and democracy... just tell me what is the base in which democracy stands... यो प्रश्न को उत्तर चुनाव पछि को परिणाम हे्नुहोला अनि फेरि सोध्नु होला । त्यति खेर हामि जबाफ लेख्ने छौ। if i'm not wrong its election... now ya tell me brother who has called for the election and who are trying to run away from it... एक पटक म के भन्न चाहान्छु भने माओबादि र पार्टि ले बोकेको सिदानत फरक छ । यदि तपाइ ले लोक तन्त्र र गणतन्त्र को फरक पत्तालगाउन सक्नु हुन्न भने शब्दकोष हेर्नुहोस। again if i'm not wrong its the political parties and maoists... जाहा पनि जुन देस मा पनि प्रजातन्त्र जनता को साथमा हुन्छ र यसलाइ हिडाउने जनता ले जिताएका मानछे हुन्छन पेवा मा आएर छलाउने हिजडा हरु होइन । now tell me who is in the favor of people's right and democracy and who is not... अरु केहि प्रश्न छ भने प्लिज साझा मा लेख्न नभुल्नु होला। हस्त उहि साझाबसैमा
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Dhara 107, First of all let me correct you, dude I did not say any was "ra**iko choro" or something like that, go back and read the thread properly. I started this thread to have proper debate but Upendra ji and Khadka ji could not stick with it. So I just said time will show who is who Khadka ji, you could not answer how will so call "king" solve the problem of Nepal. So you are counter questioning me. Clearly monarchy is taking nepal no where they are misusing power to protect their power and a**.... As far as election is concern, how can you consider a election to be fair when it is being done under supervision of royal slave army and autocratic royal regime. More over it is election only in cities where supporter of royal regime are more but they are just 10% or less of nepalese population, what about 90% nepalese that are left behind. If you want to hold fair election democratic forces are ready for it, it is just your "king" who is afraid of that. LET US DO A PUBLIC REFERENDUM FROM MECHI TO MAHAKALI WHERE EVERY NEPALESE WILL GET TO VOTE, LET US GIVE A CHANCE FOR EVERY NEPALESE TO SAY WHAT THEY THINK just some thulabadas in ktm voting is not fair election, a fair election is one in which every nepalese from every part of nepal participates. People in ktm believes rest of nepal does not understand politics, but it is autocrating suppressing mentality of city people who do not understand nepalese politics. Get every nepalese to vote for referendum all of us nepalese supporting democracy will be ready for election
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