Yes, Let's keep on rolling.

Anti_monarqi, your turn please.

Nepe -

The choices that you've presented are fine. But it would have been sensible if you had presented broadbased:

Your choices are (that probably does not represent : (1) sacrifice the monarchy and bring the Maoist to the democratic framework, or (2) save the monarchy and go for a prolonged war.
If you are not talking nonsense then you must add more choices: 3) save the monarchy (constitutional) and bring the Maoists in to mainstream; 4) defeat (politically and militarily) and dismantle the Maoists if they are not willing to join the mainstream(this may be least preferred choice as total dismantle is not possible); 5) take hardline approach with Maoists -Monarchy alignment (least preferred choice).
If you are not talking the Maoists style of republicanism then I have no comments, but you and yor team's active participation to protest against RNA and campaigning to block the military aid to Nepal is more than sufficient to guess your intent and motive. Your views and action indicates that you consider Maoists threat less dangerous than Monarchy? Your interpretation of ordinary people and mine is totally different. You try to represent those who is in the street of Kathmandu, whereas I am talking about those living in the villages and every corners of Nepal. Just by interacting with handful of so called human rights activists and reading news from internet may not give full picture of sitaution of Nepal and I am sure you are well aware of it.
You are again talking nonsense about the priority of ordinary people. Their priority is peace. Obviously, if the "ordinary people" (by my definition - not yours) want republicanism then it is certainly going to come, no one can stop. Even the mainstream political parties are not yet ready to go for republicanism. It is the demand of Maoists party only and I am sure you are aware that their way of republicanism is not the one that you have perceived.
May be for you (who does not have to face any consequensces being in the USA) Maoists problem is not a priority, but back home it is a top most priority for all, even those fighting on the street, who have not even dared to initiate any action against Maoists when the maoists are killing or abducting even their own cadres. Maosists have not even allowed them to have freedom of movement in their constituency.
Best choice would be choice # 5; any other choices will prolong not only war but destroy the nation.

Anti_Monarqi,

I didnt say anything about getting paid or the republican being Maoists. Don't come to me with a preconceived notion and most important of all dont try and use your head(s) to tell me what I am thinking and telling. It won't be fair on your part to be given such responsibility.
Don't teach me history too. I will make it easy for you. Just answer this question... if you want a 21st century remedy for Nepal, how come you use the events in history (of France) that certainly was not 21st century events?
Again, go back and fight your battle in Nepal. If you really are someone who you say you are, ie a well wisher for Nepal and Nepalese, be able to identify and shoot down the real problem. I am talking aboue people like you, who are neither here nor there, just making the system weaker. I think there was a name created for such people... was it mandale? remind me, will ya?

Now I see why Nepe doesn?t bother to join issue with such ?intelligent? posters. My mistake in the earlier thread on this topic. Sorry folks. I hope enough protestors gather in NY to show G that there are enough Nepalese who believe in themselves, not an upstart claiming to be Vishnu avatar.

Shaiva,

Of course "you see why Nepe didn't join." He/she is human after all and any debate he/she cannot win, he/she stays away from. Right? ;-)

If your implication is that anyone else on this string is intellectually inferior to you or your other alias "Nepe," may I shock you with the suggestion that we know you and Nepe are one in same? Ooohhh... not so stupid now, are we?

You've been plaiying this game for so long, anyone with half a brain can see the trend.

Not feeling so "hot" anymore are we?

Have a good night.

Apart from 1-2 utterly distasteful posting - I am enjoying some tasteful presentations. Keep em' coming.

A suggestion/ request would be - please do not kill the tasteful dialogues by utterly infantile attacks.

IndisGuise:)

nemesis

I would join your discussion but when I looked you past posting I have decided not to join here
Anyway thanks for the offer

What hell does Vishnu ko Avtaar have to do with his job performance ? We are just waitning to see if he actually will quell this whole Mao mess and put the country back on track of progress and developement. He sacked the PM and took over..what ...umm.. last fall.....its not enough time to see results.. Unlike some of the impatient oppertunists who are hell bent on showing their face in NYC to PUT THEMSELVES IN THE MAP....so that PEOPLE KNOW WHO THEY ARE AND WHEN PAY UP TIME COMES ALONG ....THEY GET THEIR SHARE OF THE LOOT. THEY HAVE NO PLAN OF THEIR OWN...on how they are going to bring the so Called Republic GOVT.... at the same time trying to DISRUPT WHO IS ACTUALLY TRYING TO RESTORE PEACE AND ORDER IN THE COUNTRY.

Aside from the puppet master act, everything on this string appears fairly kosher. As long as everyone participates equally and doesn't portray the image as "moderator" of the discussion, the "entertainment" value is here for all to enjoy.

;-) Anti_G

Hehehehe..:)

Indeed the recreational value aside, I was just concerned that one gentleman's posting above could give 'the chosen one(s)' an excuse to discontinue the adventure. Would not that be sad? Just when I was enjoying the show.....

Maybe this very concern appeared as an imposter of a 'moderator'. :)

My apologies - I keep thirsty eye for further entertainment.

IndisGuise;)

Learn new thing everyday.
Let us ust ignore the foul mouthed posters and keep on rolling. What did "Shaiva" said, again? What was the reason that nepe is not posting? This old ears don't hear very well.

PSC you have really given much broader choices unlike our dear old couplet master Nepe. You know the kind Take this or I will come to get you kind of choices.

PSC,

Great job man. Keep coming

PSC,

Great job man. Keep coming

I stand correct my last posting:

Disregard - Best choice would be choice # 5; any other choices will prolong not only war but destroy the nation.

Read - Best choice would be choice # 3; .....

Highfly - thanks for your remarks.
Anti monarqi ran away from this thread and opened another thread; it was nice to comment on his SUGA RATAI.

Ignorancce is bliss..ha ha
Till it hits you on your own head !!!! Bang
Grab a gong !! he he
Its that very ignorance that brought about the whole freakin MAO movement alive. IGNORE THIS and IGNOE THAT and Pretty soon you will be ignoring wthe THE WHOEL NEPALI POPULAITION.... then there will be another congressi movement up in arms. the cycle will keep going ..

Nepe where is our ustad Nepe?

PSC,

Here is a conversation of mine with two fellow posters (in Nepaldemocracy@googlegroups.com ) on the same topic we are discussing- whether Republicanism is a political solution to the Maoists problem or not. I have answered to two skeptic fellow posters who cited the Maoist insurgency in Bihar/UP to cast doubt on whether republic Nepal will be safe from the Maoist. Blue text is my reply.

Hope you find it interesting. This will also give some idea to Nemesis why Nepe's darshan is so rare. ;-)

> To me Nepal becoming a republican state is not more important
>that Nepal becoming a peaceful democratic state where the chief
> contenders for power reconcile and compromise wround some
>fundamental "peoples' " democratic agenda.

Peace is indeed our first need. However, are you suggesting that peace
will come faster if we keep praying (ok doing whatever is in your mind)
to force Maoists to surrender to the monarchy than if we sacrifice
monarchy to bring the Maoists to democratic framework ?

Maoists surrendering (ok, reconciling) with the Monarchy ? That too
faster than the [hypothetical] time that will take if we go for getting
rid of the monarchy ?

Are we talking about realism or dreams ?

>Bihar and UP are republican states in a nation where the constitution
>came about through a 'constituent assembly" exercise. this has not
>stopped maoism, violence, or ended bad governance, or brought
>about an environment of minimum threat and maximum opportunity
>for democracy to flourish.

You are not suggesting to make Bihar and UP kingdoms to solve the
problems they have then, are you ? As far as whether republicanism of
Bihar and UP has or has not stopped their Maoists to do what our
Maoists are doing, oh yes, it has. Here is what, why and how.

Indian Maoists are never going to be more than similar nuisance
(terrorism) other countries have been comfortably living with. The
reason is simple. Indian Maoists' raison d'etre can all be fulfilled by
Bihar and UP's republic democracy, all they have do is to make it work
better. No revolution is necessary.

Nepali Maoists' case is quite different. Nepali Maoists' raison d'etre,
the major one in particular, is such that it can not be achieved
without getting rid of the monarchy. In fact it is the legitimacy of
this raison d'etre (or call it an excuse) that helped the Maoists to
grow this way, this big, this fast.

When we have a republic, Maoists don't have this particular raison
d'etre to remain a realistically threatening force. Mind that the
growth of the Nepali Maoist was not due to the popularity of their
second raison d'etre- establishing a communist regime !

Now you do the math.

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>XXXXji has a point that India is not free from
>Maoist type insurgency (e.g. in Bihar and UP)
>despite its republican political structure - so
>there is no guarantee that republican structure
>in Nepal will solve the Maoist insurgency.

It is not the "insurgency" that we should be worried about, it is "the
insurgency getting powerful enough to threaten the state" that we
should be worried.

Nepali Maoist got powerful because it espoused a raison d'etre
(republicansim) that no party would take. They grew like a monopolist
trader would grow.

Had the cause of Republicanism taken up by the parliamentary parties,
Maoists wouldn't have grown to become how strong they are today. Their
insurgency, if at all, would have remained as insignificant (to threat
the state) as Indian Maoist insurgency.

Indian Maoist insurgency is not only weak and never going to be strong
enough to force us reconsider republican democracy (as implied in
YYYYji's and XXXXji's posting), in fact whatever 'churi-furi' Indian
Maoists are showing is very much a SPILL OVER effect of Nepali Maoist.
If you remove Nepali Maoists from the map, Indian Maoists will become
nobody.

So, how can this non-threatening Indian Maoist insurgency appearing in
Indian republic can be something for us to doubt republic democracy in
Nepal ?

We are mixing up apples and oranges and only to feed monarchists to
their hearts content. Ma ta logic sogic kehi dekhdina hai yahan.


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Nepe,

You should take some class on COmmon Sense. I find it very low on your part. IS it so alien to you the words called COMMON SENSE???

WHen the maonarchy is forced out, how do you stop maoists to come to power?? Where is the democratic forces which will lead against maoists and monarchy?? Nofw its the battle of gun between maoists and monarchy. The one with better fire power will dominate the other.

Untill and unless there is no democratic force ( with public backing) your democratic republic is not possible? But the question is who is ready to risk the life to get rid of monarchy and also maoists??

Highfly good question: "But the question is who is ready to risk the life to get rid of monarchy and also maoists??"

That question has been dodged plenty of times by the so called republic supporters with pages after pages in praise of republican ideals. Obviously that someone who's ready to risk anything is not our hero NEPE who is boisterous in proclaiming his love for republican democracy, copy pasting boldly what no man has posted before, yet, when questioned in public WHEN he is actually going to Nepal to practice what he has been preaching here, runs away with his tail between his legs.