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Posted on 08-10-05 9:13 AM     Reply [Subscribe]
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August 9, 2005

Nepal's Human Rights Record Threatens Military Aid
By SOMINI SENGUPTA

KATMANDU, Nepal, Aug. 5 - When a firebrand student leader went to visit his friends in jail here last week, he, too, found himself arrested by the police and locked up on a charge of sedition.

When a political prisoner was freed by a court order in the town of Nepalganj in June, plainclothes police officers immediately plucked him from the courthouse steps.

And after two Nepalese newspaper journalists wrote last month about the army's deploying children as informers against suspected Maoist guerrillas, they were summoned to the army barracks for questioning.

Such incidents are not only measures of life and law in a country squeezed between its all-powerful Hindu king and the nine-year-long Maoist insurgency he has failed to quell. They are also of creeping importance to American lawmakers.

Before a new round of American military aid can start flowing to this troubled Himalayan kingdom, Congress has said it must be convinced that Nepal's ruler, King Gyanendra, can guarantee basic human rights. The Bush administration can override that condition if it determines that there is a national security imperative for Nepal to get the aid.

An administration decision is expected in the coming weeks, and whichever way the president goes is likely to be read throughout this region as an important barometer of White House priorities.

Nepal has functioned as an absolute monarchy since October 2002, when King Gyanendra dismissed the elected government on the ground that it had proved ineffective and corrupt. Last Feb. 1, he ratcheted his control up another notch, imposing emergency rule, arresting hundreds of political party members and suspending press and civil liberties.

Emergency rule has since been lifted, but many restrictions remain. This week, for instance, the government demanded to know why news broadcasts had resumed on a private FM radio station, in contravention of the Feb. 1 order.

The measures have proved increasingly unpopular. In Katmandu, the capital, what began as mild protests against the Feb. 1 royal decree have become more violent and outspoken. In recent weeks stone-throwing student demonstrators who call openly for the overthrow of the monarchy have tussled regularly with police officers wearing blue fatigues and carrying riot shields.

Chants during the protests have turned strikingly audacious. "Gyanay Chor, Desh Chhod," goes one popular cry. Using a diminutive form of his name, it calls the king a thief and urges him to leave.

Despite the Feb. 1 order, journalists frequently defy the curbs against independent reporting on the conflict. Political cartoons take pot shots at the king.

"People hoped and believed he had a plan," Kanak Mani Dixit, one of the country's most respected journalists, said in an interview here. "I said he has made a major mistake, but he will be forgiven if he has a plan. But nothing has happened." The king's latest steps were controversial even beyond Nepal and have been accompanied by what his critics see as a steady deterioration of civil liberties as the king struggles to turn back a widening insurgency that has fed off this country's poverty and caste divisions.

The American law threatening the loss of military aid, passed by the United States Congress last year, was prompted by Nepal's unenviable human rights distinction: during the past two years, the largest number of new cases of disappeared persons reported to the United Nations came from here.

Some of the missing reappear after courts take up habeas corpus petitions; those who are suspected of being Maoists or their sympathizers can be locked away without charges for up to a year under Nepal's antiterror laws.

The conditions for restoring full American military aid range from whether law enforcement authorities obey court orders on prisoner releases, to whether steps are taken to end torture by security forces, to whether the government allows the National Human Rights Commission to function freely.

Neither the United States Embassy here in Katmandu nor officials at the State Department in Washington agreed to comment on the record about whether Nepal had sufficiently complied with those conditions. In the past, American officials have urged the king to reconcile his differences with the political parties and take steps to return to democracy.

Sen. Patrick Leahy, a Democrat from Vermont and the author of the amendments that set conditions on military assistance to Nepal, however, has said that Nepal has so far failed the test. "Unfortunately, not only have those conditions not been met, the situation was made significantly worse on Feb. 1," he told Congress on July 28.

"The king has made a tragic blunder," he added, "and the Nepalese people are paying a heavy price."

Since Feb. 1, the Bush administration has continued providing some military training and supplies, but held off on others. Now, $2.5 million in aid is at stake, the big-ticket item being a consignment of roughly 3,500 M-16 rifles.

Discussions are continuing, meanwhile, over the possibility of Nepal's sending troops to the United States-led coalition forces in Afghanistan.

Local and international human rights monitors have reported what the United Nations' top human rights envoy in Nepal, Ian Martin, called "serious and recent" allegations of torture.

Meanwhile, the rule of law plays out in a bizarre tableau.

One afternoon in June, in the office of the National Human Rights Commission in the midwestern town of Nepalganj, a 19-year-old man named Buddhiman Karki sat on a sofa in a Spiderman T-shirt. The judge had ordered him released that afternoon after an unspecified time in Army and police custody. He said he had been beaten in custody. There was never an attempt, apparently, to try him in a court of law.

No sooner had Mr. Karki stepped out of the courthouse than two plainclothes officers grabbed him from one side. Immediately, two Human Rights Commission workers, Mohan Dev Joshi and Yasuda Banjade, grabbed him from the other side. "Rule of law, you can't do this," is what Ms. Banjade recalls saying to the officers. "There was a little bit of shouting," she said.

Eventually, the judge stepped out of the courthouse, and the police let go. Mr. Karki, a Maoist who said he was corralled into the movement eight years ago, at age 11, said he would slip across the border and into India as soon as he could.

 
Posted on 08-10-05 9:32 AM     Reply [Subscribe]
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One thing I have always failed to understand is, while there are numerous articles about human rights abuse, murders, and disappearances done by army, why are there no news about the ones done by Maoists. While the Maoists keep mutilating people from guilt to innocent, from young to old, from men to women, while they keep kidnapping school children, keep threatening people for money, why do the so called human rights activists keep quiet? It cannot be expected from the Army to follow the rules when their opponents aren't and are being excused.
 
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could it possibly be because Maoist atrocities have been reported and criticized extensively for the past 10 years, before the state itself turned into an organ of terror, whereas the Army has been doing this, and increasingly more and frequeltly than the rebels, only in the past six months?

Also, those that say they will willingly die for an ideal are not the same as those that say they will kill to defend an ideal.

Don't ask me why, but those that are willing to die are always more respectable than those willing to kill. A martyr is different from a murderer. It is up to you to decide which group is doing which.
 
Posted on 08-10-05 10:18 AM     Reply [Subscribe]
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No sooner had Mr. Karki stepped out of the courthouse than two plainclothes officers grabbed him from one side. Immediately, two Human Rights Commission workers, Mohan Dev Joshi and Yasuda Banjade, grabbed him from the other side. "Rule of law, you can't do this," is what Ms. Banjade recalls saying to the officers. "There was a little bit of shouting," she said.

Eventually, the judge stepped out of the courthouse, and the police let go. Mr. Karki, a Maoist who said he was corralled into the movement eight years ago, at age 11, said he would slip across the border and into India as soon as he could.
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I say, Mr Karki, a maoist, should have been either put behind bars until the maoist problem was resolved or killed there and then. There would have been one less terrorist to extort money from general population. I dont blame the police in that particular case.
 
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Yeah, I say hold off the military aid, but don't stop right there yet. Go a bit further. Spend energy on curbing Maoist killings and tourtures that happens in borad day light. Just don't shout, 'arrgghhhh, military questioned two "human rights activist" in custody - stop the aid!' Go a bit further. Go see what will happend if you don't give some power to the law and order authority. All these "atrocities" that Ms. Sengupta cries about that is done by Military - that is fine to call attention. Some are legit some blown up. I say go a bit further will y,ou and write about How many killing have been done by the maoists in that time period?

Let's do a cost-analysis here. How many killings by whom. Who could you rather live with? With these human rights violation done by the govt. or violations done by maoist? Just don't sit in your cushy New York times office and be an arm chair human rights violation expert, will you?

I for myslef going to write to these democrats and tell them go visit Nepal and the devastation that has occurred since the maoists raged their war against people. I am starting from Kerry, then Kennedy. They work right in my back yard. I am not kidding. I am mad as hell.
(just correct typos and grammar as you read. I promise you when I write to these people I will write in queen's Enlish.)
 
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Well said NK. And what about the Maoists causing damage to all the infrastructures? Go is going to keep an account of that?
 
Posted on 08-10-05 11:43 AM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Political Killings in 2004
- http://inseconline.org/hryb005.htm


 
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It is hard for me to digest that the 'Student' and 'Teacher' killings committed by Maoists and State is almost equal. So basically all the news about students being abducted and teachers being mercilessly hacked were not done by Maoists then.
For me the biggest crime Maoists can do is force anyone to join them. People are forced at the gun point to join them. What this does is expose these innocent people to being RNA?s target. If I tie a goat by a tree and let the Tiger attack it, I am the one who?s guilty not the tiger.

 
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From the context of Nepali politics, the general public is dumbfounded as far as the sharing of information go. Each institution running surveys have their own agenda and even though they might not have any agendas besides the agenda of truth, their surveys cannot be dependable simply because of lack of access to accurate information.

I am not defending the State nor the Maoist but simply analyzing the situation here. It is kind of impossible for these surveyors to get to some isolated village in Nepal to gather information from there. In short these survey results don't mean anything simply because they are not accurate and reliable and does not contain the whole picture.

It will be a long time before any kind of surveys are to be trusted. Before we start trusting surveys like above, there needs to be more accessibility to most parts of Nepal. Right now, no matter who says what, it is very difficult for general public like us to believe those things, no matter how colorful charts they present them in.

As a matter of musing, let's suppose another group publishes a website and reports that the figures and chart is opposite of the one presented above by Nepe. We as general public don't have no yardsticks to measure any verity in anything anymore.

I rest my case.

That's all your honour.
 
Posted on 08-10-05 12:19 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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"Disappearance", as reported by Government's own organization, National Human Right Commission (NHRC)
(Between 2057-2060 Mangsir)

by the state: 662
by the Maoist: 114


For the complete list of people "disappeared":
- http://www.nhrc-nepal.org/docs/Disapperance%20Name%20List%20English%202057-2060%20Mansir.PDF

 
Posted on 08-10-05 12:29 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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One kind of "disappearances" not reported by NHRC

- http://www.blog.com.np/?p=785#more-785


 
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Saroj, i heard there are quite a number of human rights organizations stationed in the villages itself, and these are documented cases of disappearance, not a survey taken of villagers by ppl from ktm. i don't know if the data is 100% accurate, but i do believe that they closely resemble the situation in Nepal- it is not a cooked up story. hello, i don't think all these organizations including the UN cook up stories and circulate it around international media.

NK, i don't think anyone here is voicing support for maoists. its the present govt(monarchy) vs democracy. i'd say maoists are much more brutal- targetting anyone at hand..you've money, they threaten you; you hold a govt position, they threaten you; you're a teacher, they threaten you; you're a student, they threaten you. they don't let anyone live. and now if hte state under the king starts behaving the same way, obviously there's going to be a comparision- king vs democracy.





 
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DC girl the UN probably has people in different villages but it would be Naive of us to believe that they cover the whole full picture. Maybe to some extent but the degree of error margin is very high. It could be plus or minus 40% when you think of how inaccessible our country is.
 
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hurray, Do you live in Boston area? If you do let's draft a letter and go to the State House. Kerry 's office is really responsive. who knows we might even have a chance to meet him and tell our gievances! (hey that would be neat) Our letter should focus on devastation of Nepal started by Maoists and the damage it has done. Next in our agenda should be our border. We should do something ppl. You know US is the country of Lobby. Let's make our own lobby to lobby people for our cause and make our lobby really a pwerful one. People are forgetting we have a real problem - that is - first, Maoists, second poverty, then our border. Or is it the other way round? ?

I wish I had time to go to NY to be a person holding a card saying 'You go king, I support you to eradicate Maoists." And another saying 'Focus on Maoists Atrocities."
 
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only ppl to blame is all the irresponsible good for nothings all talks ppl like you for encouraging dictators and maoists to mismanage evrything in nepal..the only blame goes to all stupid nepali dumbheads who didn't give a shit and still sit tight with their hands tucked tight to fend their broken chick eggs...u know what ..if yu don't stand up for yourself ..you re the only person to blame..so from next time seeek precautions instead of looking for medicines

ciao

hush

even gyane and babu is flesh and blood so why can't you get your balls rolling?? If not shut up and kissass as usual!!!!
 
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चोर त चोरै हो, त्यसले चोर्छ। त्यसैले त तेस्को नाम चोर भयो। अब त्यो चोरलाई समातेर कानूनी कारवाही गर्न समाजले विभिन्न निकायहरु खडा गरेको छ, विभिन्न तरीकाहरु तेर्साएको छ। सक्छम् भने सहि ढंगले त्यसलाई कारवाही गरम्, हैन भने चोरको नाममा अरुलाई तर्स्याउने, धमक्याउने, यातना दिने गरियो भने अवश्य पनि पुलिस माथि जनता आईलाग्छन्।

जनतालाई चोरबाट रक्षा गर्ने कर्तब्य बोकेर, राज्यबाट तलब थापेर, हिँड्ने पुलिस आफैं चोरि गर्न तिर लाग्यो भने जनता त्यो पुलिसमाथि चोरमाथि भन्दा अझ कस्सेर आईलाग्नु स्वभाविकै हो।

The facts:

Government is signatory to various international human rights treaties. Maoists are not.

Government is accountable to the people. Maoists are not.

Government has taken a vow to protect its citizens. Maoists haven?t.

Government forces are paid from the legitimate national coffer. Maoists are not.

Government is binded by the laws that itself has promulgated. Maoists are not.

Despite all this,

Government forces have engaged in far more human rights violations than the Maoists have. By some accounts, security forces have committed four times more human rights violations than the Maoists.

Therefore,

Even though the Maoists have committed atrocities, and they must be condemned and taken action against whenever they happen, the greater onus of doing the right thing obviously should fall on the government forces. If the government forces stoop as low as the Maoists in their quest to "protect the citizens" and become the victimizers themselves when they have vowed to be the protectors, then they obviously would be under greater pressure not to repeat such atrocities.

Because the Maoists are illegitimate forces, one can only EXPECT them to comply with humanitarian laws; and since the government is supposedly a legitimate force, they MUST do so. Between EXPECTATION and PEROGATIVE, the latter should obviously be under greater pressure. And when the illegitimate forces do not live up to our expectations, there are proper channels through which to deal with them Punishing the innocents and having blatant disregard to due process of the law are NOT one of them. Such ignorance only aggravates the situation by adding more fuel to Maoist fire.
 
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Poonte and Nepe,

R u gonna protest against the recent atrocities by maoists?
 
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If they can be INDEPENDENTLY verified, YES!
 
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poonte,

There is gonna be independent assessment. Lets see its results too. I will see your words. Else you are just a clown.
 
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I'm sure the same people who did the survey presented by Nepe are going to happily march forward into the Maoist infested places of nepal where these current atrocities took place to do an INDEPENDENT survey and come up with another colourful chart.

The govt has to allow these people because of international pressure but the maoists are not going to allow them full or even any access to their misdeeds. Hence their survey's are going to be lopsided at best.
 



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