• When Anju Pant says she cannot sing hindu bhajan we oppose her.
• When CK Raut says Madheshi people are being treated like lower class people in Nepal then we oppose him.
• When Paramanda Jha takes oath in Hindi we oppose him.
• When some madheshi leader wears dhoti in parliament we make fun of him.
• When some tribal from mountain region uses cow for food we oppose him.
• When some leaders propose to change the flag or national animal we oppose them.   

What does this mean?

It means we are still suffered from King Mahindra’s so called Panchayati Nationalism fever. Wake up people, this is 21st century’s, ‘Federal’, ‘Democratic ‘, ‘Secular’, ‘Republic’ of Nepal not anymore ‘Panchayati Kingdom’.  

 

Good points, but don't you think you are stretching it a little bit?

First of all, who is "we"? A handful of protestors? Understand that no matter how liberal a society is, there will always be a handful of stone-aged narrow minds. Many times the latter faction are the loudest ones.
Second, nobody opposed CK Raut for his statements about the treatment of lower class people. This is like Fox News level propaganda spinning. People are opposing him for his divisive statements; he wants a separate Madhesi state. Not the same dude.

Most other points were mildly protested at best (except for Anju Pant, and I stood against the side that protested for the record). As for the last item, some leader proposes change of the flag and national animal and everybody else is suppose to just say AYE with enthusiasm? Protests are a democratic process as long as they don't get violent.

No it doesn't mean we are suffering from the nationalism fever. It just means we have the ability to think and react, sometimes for the right reason and sometimes for the wrong.

If we call ourselves democratic, why should we be afraid of those activists who want separate Madesh ?

Because in democracy you have to value both supporters and protesters. Do you want everybody to just keep quiet on every issue? Besides once we divide the country into pieces where do we practice democracy?

Specially for Mr Kiddo,

Please read this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_independence_referendum,_2014

A referendum on whether Scotland should be an independent country will take place on Thursday, 18 September 2014. 

That's not the only place where this is being discussed my friend. Catalonia, an autonomous state, is also trying to seperate itself from Spain. Many states in India have been trying this; heck if you go to Texas they will tell you how badly they want to secede.

But, just because a state wants independence, doesn't mean it should be granted. Heck, even in Scottland there is a strong opposition.

Please read this
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scottish-independence/11088679/Republicans-and-Democrats-unite-in-opposition-to-Scottish-independence.html

This is called democracy.


Also understand the contexts at play. Scotland is an autonomous region which almost functions like an independent country.

And Scotland found oil under it's soil, so they want to seperate from United Kingdom. Oil gave them some balls since they think they can economically survive alone. But what will happen when Bank of Scotlad moves its hearquater to London?
And It_guy, do you really think federalism will really work in Nepal? Do you think the tiny states will be able to survive economically on their own? Or do you think there will be even bigger exodus of people from some states to other prospering states, thus leaving their home state completey empty? Federalism will be catestrophic to Nepal.
And to sum it up, Democracy to some people is like "Badar ko haat ma naribal".

My Friend Hurray, Now you raised the question about federalism. So I want to give another example of a country which is similar to our country by nature. Switzerland (polulation: 8 million and Area: 41,285 km2) which is smaller than Nepal has 26 cantons(member states).

Each canton has its own constitution, legislature, government and courts.Most of the cantons' legislature are unicameral parliaments, their size varying between 58 and 200 seats. A few legislatures are general assemblies known as Landsgemeinden. The cantonal governments consist of either five or seven members, depending on the canton.The Swiss Federal Constitution declares the cantons to be sovereign to the extent their sovereignty is not limited by federal law. The cantons also retain all powers and competencies not delegated to the Confederation by the Constitution. Most significantly, the cantons are responsible for healthcare, welfare, law enforcement and public education; they also retain the power of taxation. The cantonal constitutions determine the degree of autonomy accorded to the municipalities, which varies but almost always includes the power to levy taxes and pass municipal laws. The sizes of the cantons vary from 37 km² to 7,105 km²; the populations vary from 15,471 to 1,244,400.

IT_guy

You are preaching about democracy in educated countries like Switzerland and Scotland where majority of people are educated and they already have a good political system in place.

It's not the same thing in Nepal. First of all there is no system in place and secondly the people are not educated, they do not know the ramifications of a democratic country.

It is ideal to have democracy when citizens know what democracy means and when there is a system to practice democratic values.

First and foremost the constitution should be made which will then provide the necessary foundation to build our democracy upon.

My friend Rethink, Nepalese people more politically aware than most of the developed countries like USA and European countries.

See this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUC_zAMl8sw

एसो गरम न त सोल्टी.....
बाइसे चौबिसे राज्य लाइ पुरानै देश घोषणा गर्दीम। अनि बाकी रको जति तल पट्टिका र माथिपट्टिका छिमेकीलाई बाड्दिम। कुरो सक्किगो नि।

सियारा लेओन, मध्य अफ्रीका, सुडानसंग दाज्न पर्ने देशलाइ सुइजर्ल्याण्डसंग दाजेर मजाक नगरम न हो।

My friend IT_Guy

If you base your reality on few youtube videos then I suppose you have a right to live in your own bubble. In reality, more people in Scotland and Switzerland (and US) are educated than the people in Nepal, much more than people in Madhesh region.

Quite a few American's may not care about politics because they already have a system of governance. Their concrete foundation is already set.

Right now, in Nepal, the system of governance and democracy are like sand castles. Few kids come and build something and others come and destroy it and build something else. Even the slightest of waves cleans up the sand castles.

For anyone to support the division of sand castles is dare I say, too early.

IT_guy,"Wake up people, this is 21st century’s, ‘Federal’, ‘Democratic ‘, ‘Secular’, ‘Republic’ of Nepal not anymore ‘Panchayati Kingdom’."
So I guess those Panchayati Kingdom ppl should be banished from Nepal then huh !! lol !! Its funny to see the eschewed sense of democracy among educated ppl.

Myfriend BathroomCoffee,

In democracy everyone has right to speak and raise their expression. If majority of people want Panchayati Kingdom, it should go back to that.

It guy , you need some more education about Nepal not IT. First learn something before you make some comments.
देशमा सुत्केरी हरु खान नपाएर आत्महत्या गर्छन , 80% युवा काम न पाएर बिदेसिंचन , या फ़ुकुलन्थु भएर बस्छन, जून देस मा अझै एस्तो थाउ छ जहा 6 मैना खान लाइ भारत गएर मजदूरी गर्न पर्छ तेस्तो देस का बासी ले अमेरिका बसेर एस्तो भयेन उस्तो भयेन भनेर भन्नु दिमागी ताल ठीक नहुनु जस्तै हो ।
1) ९०% हिन्दू भएको देशमा बसेर पूर्ब हिन्दू भएर हिन्दू गीत गाउदिन भन्नु न धर्मं ले मान्छ न ब्यावसाहिकता ले , भने पछी त मैले मेरो काम मा काले लाइ सर्वे गर्दीन भन्न पाउन पर्यो । गे लाइ छिर्न दिन्न भन्ना पाउन पर्यो । किनकी म गे हैन , मेरो धर्म ले तेस्तो कुरा लाइ मान्दैन ! बोल्न पाउछु भन्दैना जे नि बोल्न मिल्दैन सामाजिक मर्यादा हरु को नि खयाल गर्न पर्छ ।
2) ck raut is not just advocating for madhesi he is trying to seperate madhes from nepal. गएर पूरा समाचार पढ़
3) नेपाल को उप राष्ट्रपति जस्तो पद मा बसेर अरु को देस को भाषा मा सपथ लीन पाइदैन, हिंदी नेपाल को कुनै समुदाय , जात को भाषा हैन ! भारत को प्रधान मंत्री आएर नेपालीमा भाषण गर्छ नेपाली नेता लाइ हिंदी प्यारो ! नेपाल सरकार ले अफिसी काम काज को लागी नेपाली भाषा को प्रयोग गर्न भनेको छ सम्भिधान हेर्ने पो हो की ।
4) धोतीis not our official national dress. Daura was removed from national dress but still its official dresscode for officers . नेपाली जनता ले ऊनि हरु को लुगा को खिल्ली उदाएका हैनन , ऊनि हरु को भारत मोह हिंदी भाषा लाइ उदायेका हुन
5) गाई काटन पाइदैन , हामीले आमा भनेर पूजा गर्ने जानवर लाइ काटर खान पाइदैन । त्यों माथि मित्र नेपाल माँ गाई खानु नया हैन ! तर सारा लाइ ढोल पिटेर खानु पाइदैन। हामीले बचपन देखि सुँदै आएको हो , पहाड़ का भोटे दाजु हरु ले गाई खान्चन भनेर तर पत्रकार सम्मलेन गरेर हिन्दू हरु लाइ चिडाउन हैन ।
6) रास्ट्रीय झंडा किन परिवर्तन गर्ने ?? देसलाई चिनाउने एउटा दुइता चिनो त छ किन हताउने ? काम कुरो इका तीर कुम्लो बोकी थिमी तीर भन्ने उखान सुन्या छ ? देस माँ परिवर्तन गर्न पर्ने धेरै कुरा छन , त्यों सब थाती राखेर झंडा को पछी किन ?? झंडा ले के गर्यो ?? देस का जनता खान नापायेर मरेको झंडा ले गरेर हो? देस बिकास नभाकोत्यों गाई रास्ट्रीय जानवर भएर हो??
आफ्नो संस्कृति लाइ बोकर अगदी बदन सकिदैन ?? हाम्रो बाऊ बाजे ले मान्दै आएको सब गलत भो ?? किनकी तिमि अमेरिका आएर दुई थाउ देखेउ ?? आफ्नो धर्म भेस भूषा लाइ संगे लिएर गए देस बिकास हुन्न ?? जापान दुबई बिकास भएकै छैनन ??
मलाई एउटा कुरा चै जैले आचम्म लाग्छ , किनअमेरिका आएका नेपाली लाइ नेपाल को सबै प्रथा कुप्रथा लाग्छ ?? साझा मा दशैं को बिरोध गर्न आउछ कोई तीज को । अगाडी बद्न पर्छ प्रगति गर्न पर्छ तर आफु कुन थाउ बाट आएको हु भन्ने याद राखेर । माथि मित्र हरु ले भने झै नेपाल अझै गरीबी को कारण पुछार को देस हरु संग गनिन्छ । तिम्ले उठायेका कुरा भन्दा धेरै झारुरी कुरा बाकी राखेर अरु ले उचालेको भर मा परिवर्तन को कुरा हुन्न ।।

It_guy,"So, only thing necessary is "BE POSITIVE". "
lol !! No electricity but be Positive.
No Running water but be positive.
No gas at the pump but be positive.
No Employment but be positive.
No Economic stability but be positive.
No foreign investment to revive the govt but be positive.
We have been positive since 2008, and look where we are today..

Well said Bathroom Coffee.

By the way IT_guy, you sound a bit like "Nepe" a guy who used to post here in Sajha many years back. He was so adamant about Maoists that every other post from him was a praise to those criminals. Looks like you are the same, but about federalism.