tic tok!, tic-tok!!

hi, this is your friend Loote, again! hehe. could not help sharing this article. as much as i appreciate freedom of expression, it amazes me when educated people, that too living in US, fail to comprehend maoists revolution-armed revolution and nepal's ground realities.

why would maoists disarm before CA or before they see that a stable enviroment has been set up for a startup?

--to let the royalists take over again? it should be understood that although monarchy is frozen, its NOT dead yet. do you really want them to take over you yet again?
if yes, i have nothing to say.
if no, accept what maoists are saying.

Do you want maoists to retaliate and bring october revolution and hence more chaos in the country?
if yes, i have nothing to say.
if no, listen to them.

this dude's article cracked me up. he is juxtaposing maoists with hezbollah. does he have a slightest clue of the ground reality of nepal? does he know what message an irresponsible statement as such can circulate around the world at this important juncture of peace making process?

pisses me off, yes big time!!! when educated people lacks patience and fail to comprehend our realities.

Nepal’s Maoists Out-of-Sync with Rest of Nation
By Bhupal Lamichhaney

- http://www.nepalnews.com/archive/2006/others/guestcolumn/sep/guest_columns_06.php

LooTe

sajahfuser is crazy..any one can give that kind of stupid explaination fuser ..don't think youare smart..you are dumbo and will be ...

you are not smart ..cause you don't know the true intention of maoist and you justify every wrong acts of maoist ..this is million times i am saying this ..if anyone can bring change in country ..for sure they are not maoist!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Most people rely their thought on prejudice. "Maoists are bad. All this people have died because they started the war." I think, that is the very absolute way of thinking. If we know how to think things relatively, not necessarily from different perspective; our mind will prod into the things and analyze "as they are." The tinge of Vipassana appeared in this thread.... Vipassana simply teaches to accept things as they are, not to distort them.

Had it not been the Maoist movement, we would have been still living in neo-pancha's rule. The dang political parties who were always, always afraid of talking about republic, wouldn't have dared to go against Gyanendra's wishes. They would just talk a lot, and be a Nepali neta.

Folks, it is time to move ahead. Why Nepal still has to be the second poorest country? Is it because of Nepali people? Partially, maybe, (and that could be one perspective), but it is because of the Neta who were supposed to "lead" the country. They were supposed to track the country and people to the progress..

I recall what one of my brothers said: If we just switch all the people of Nepal and Japan to each other's country empty handed, in 5 years the Japanese will make Nepal Japan-like, but, Japan will be Nepal-like. It all depends on the "Administrator" that administers how to take care of things. The worst "administrators" of Nepal are the ones who are to blamed for the life majority of people are living today.

When someone dies, the "death" is just so blatant. When it is said, "killed," it is connotative and we think in negative terms. It is sad, indeed, when a Nepali dies, but the war is so cruel, it kills many people and many bad things happen and the written law always doesn't apply....

My respected father passed away because of brain hemorrhage. He was very healthy. The place in Lamjung I live in is some 130 KM from KTM. If it was in the US, it is little more than an hour's drive...my father was supposed to be in hospital within 24 hours at any cost...but it took more than 24 hours...it took more than 24 hours to get him to KTM ...130 KMs....he didn't make it..he passed away...he would have survived had he gotten in KTM in time..but why my father had to pass away? Why?

It is because of the "terrorist" Netas that wanted to have so much fun in the corrupted regime.

My father didn't make it because he had brain hemorrhage...there are many other fathers/mothers/sons/daughters have to die because they don't have access to Cetamol..Why is that? Is it because of Maoists?

We have to change the way we are living now. We have to get rid of the prejudice and think the things from new dimension. Realistically, stading on the ground reality.

Sorry for a few grammatical and spelling errors. Didn't read it back before posting it!

The logic on this thread is getting more and more convoluted with each post. When you are blinded by fear, hatred, suspicion, anger or revenge, politics is not for you because all you can really do is screw things up even more!

I am out of here - good luck to those who have anything of substance to add.

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A mind is like a parachute, it only works when it is open. -- Sir James Dewar
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Not all people are as smart as you to know what is right and what is wrong. Esp. in society like nepal's. Not all people can have open mind, and that's when problem arises. And I salute to people who have dared to point out the problem in our society.

A guardian teaches a child what is right and wrong. But for someone who has grown up learning the one sided story of life and who never had a chance to have an open mind will have very difficult time to open up his/her mind even when he grows old. Unfortunately there are plenty of people of that kind in nepal....

sajhauser,
please allow me this privilege to plaudit your arguments. yes! it's not with the term 'maoism', but it's the cause--"equitable society" that we accord with. it should be understood that longevity of maoists' existence in nepal is possible only with them coming under the umbrella of multiparty democracy-- the democracy which does not only favor majority but a democracy which also respects and protects minority's rights seamlessly.

the fear factor that you have raised is another good point in my view. we, nepalese, have been hopelessly careless and irreponsible with freedom that we were bestowed with. past is the proof. we need a system, which can inject a fear to the people so that they can comprehend the differences between wrong and right, good and evil or legal and illegal. a system which can make sure that the people remain within their periphery of ethics and responsiblity. we, as nepali, need that as badly as democracy. matter of fact, a true democracy can prosper only when people know their limit-what they should and should not do.

to the people who are skeptical about maoists coming to the political scene,
my 2 cents is, believe in yourself and don't let yourself to be bullied by the circumstances. we are living in 21st century. if maoists dare to impose monolithic communism and order you to hold the gun, be a man and point that guns towards them.

long live nepal!
LooTe

To all the people who says maoist are in favor of poor please answer this thread. This thread is not just one story. This is the story of every village where there is maoist. I remember how some of my friends used to say how maoist came and take thieir chickens, forced them to cook foods 3-4 am in the morning, took away rice and wheat by force. This is the story of every village where maoist is . I had 4-5 friends from the conflicted area while i was in undergrad and everybody had the same story.

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Worst part of maoist is how they have used minors for thier use. Many of the maoist gorillas are under 18 years of old. The villages of nepal was devoid of youngsters because if they have stayed maoist force them to join in the war. Read the another story of your beloved maoist who has targeted kids.

I heard that Maoists are floating VCD of their successful attacks in Pili etc. in bazaar at the price tag of Rs 250 per CD.

Stupid Maoists... this is defintiely a stupid decision by Maoists... trying to show people how they killed Nepalese, doesn't matter if it's the soldier or police of the state, they are afterall Nepalese.... In the CD Prachanda's speeches are also shown... what an idiot Prachanda.... this is the most idiot Nepalese persn I have ever seen.

also a fat pig too..now maoist wants him to make him fat bull!!

loote wrote"if maoists dare to impose monolithic communism and order you to hold the gun, be a man and point that guns towards them. "

why politics of gun???why not first point gun towards you and shoot you first ,who advocate gun politics??So , when we do that how much blood you want to see ..you dog turned vampire..:P

If they really want peace , now is the time to disarm otherwise they will be cheating their cadres as well as whole nepalese.Otherwise ..this is dead end ..SPA except some maoist in spa will not bow down ..this is it stalemate..king is going to be there where he is ..maoist are infact helping king.

Maoists beat up dairy entrepreneurs

Kantipur Report

LALITPUR, Sept 16 - Maoist rebels on Saturday beat up dairy entrepreneurs - Herambh Rajbhandari and his son Araniko Rajbhandari—in Lalitpur.

Rajbhandari's family members said the duo was beaten up for allegedly not allowing workers at their factory—Nepal Dairy Udhyog-- to form a branch of the Maoist affiliated All Nepal Trade Union Federation-Revolutionary (ANTUF-R).

Eyewitnesses said a group of about 25 cadres led by ANTUF-R central member Ramesh Pant had stormed into the house of Rajbhandari at Hattiban, Lalitpur at around 7.30 this morning. They thrashed Rajbhandari, 74, and his son Araniko, who now oversees the business, calling them 'feudals.' The thrashing has left several bruises in their bodies.

Also a former president of Nepal Dairy Association, Rajbhandari is currently undergoing treatment at Bir Hospital. A source close to the family said he had been suffering from high blood pressure and respiratory problems.

He has been breathing with the help of a pacemaker for the past few years.

The Maoist thrashing has seriously jeopardized his health. Young Rajbhandari is said to have received minor bruises.

Eyewitnesses said that the Maoists' attempt to abduct the duo was aborted following requests made by the police.

According to chief of Lalitpur District Police Office Madhav Prasad Nepal, the Maoist cadres returned without taking the duo away after police reached an agreement with them to bring the Rajbhandari duo to the Maoist Party Liaison Office at Pulchowk, Sunday morning, for further discussion.

The victims could not be contacted despite several attempts.

The Maoists, however, refuted the report that they had beaten up the duo.

Shalik Ram Jamarkattel, president of the ANTUF-R claimed Rajbhandari had openly challenged his workers that he would allow the formation of all other trade unions except the one affiliated to CPN (Maoist). According to him, Rajbhandari had sacked over 12 employees on Friday and two others on Thursday alleging them of forming ANTUF-R in the factory.

"Not all people are as smart as you to know what is right and what is wrong."

I have never claimed to be one. If there is any impression out there that I am one, it is probably because of the absurdity of posts like yours.


"yes! it's not with the term 'maoism', but it's the cause--"equitable society" that we accord with."

There are others who also have fought for the same things and will continue to do so. The Maoists have given the cause a push but if they want to take the cause forward they have got to do something about their arms. They will actually be hurting the cause if they continue to unleash violence the way they have been.

Also, the same thing I pointed to Sajhauser applies to you, do you guys realize that you are taking a postion that not even Prachanda has taken? He is willing to go along and is bargaining for leverage. Maybe you are Maoist than the Maoists themselves!

correction: Maybe you are more Maoist than the Maoists themselves!

"do you guys realize that you are taking a postion that not even Prachanda has taken? " needs clarification. Have I ever said there is no need to "manage" arms? There is difference between "managing arms" and disarming, isn't it?

"Have I ever said there is no need to "manage" arms? "

That was clearly implied from your previous posts on this and other threads.

"There is difference between "managing arms" and disarming, isn't it? "

Yes, they are two steps in a linear process - one leads to the next but they are related to the same principle: abandoning the gun as a means to power. You either favor disarmanent (via arms management or other means) or you dont. It's pretty binary.

I won't accuse you of back peddaling but if you are fine with them laying down arms, which was hard to tell up untill this point, then that suits me fine too.

binary is an idea of seeing things in black and white, which i don't tend to do.

Yes, I can tell.

i wrote this in another thread (seems like too many threads are being posted here in this topic hehe :P). just to make some points clear.
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it's been fun discussing the arm management issues with other sajhaians. this is what i have gathered.

1) everyone wants NA to remain neutral. and
2) everyone wants maoists to disarm.

WHEN? --ASAP. and for that, SPA and maoists both have to come into agreement. the sooner the better. as far as i see, congress still want monarchy. i don't know if they are presenting that rhetoric to bargain with maoists but that is not gonna help. maoists are ready for disarmament but as long as maoists leaders don't see that NA could well impede their cause, they are not gonna disarm. so it's high time we move on and do the necessary mutation of NA and create a feasible environment for a violence free and unbiased CA. the more time we take the better it will be for royalists and other external forces to manipulate terms.

Peace!
LooTe