i am simply baffled! the constitution says Nepal is a Hindu kingdom, and yet i believe nobody in sajha has yet posted anything on one of the sankarcharyas, Kanchi Sankaracharya, a Hindu religious guru [with close ties to our royal family], who was recently charged with murder of his former aide in India, and who has been been held in a prison in Tamil Nadu since Nov 11. how did one of the prime leaders of the Hindus with strong links to the Hindu base and charities in Nepal and the world over get in this mess? He is also being charged with trying to "flee to Nepal" after the murder, something the accused lawyer has countered. whatever the future verdict, this has already sent a shockwave through the Hindu world - especially among the more fundamentalist groups such as Shiva Sena, Hindu Vishwa sansthan, Hindu Jagaran Manch, etc etc.

-karmapa

Karmapa,
I believe, Turbine by using, "human make mistakes," was merely trying to say that it should be of no shock that someone who is a sankarcharya ( I don't even know what the hell this means) committed murder. There are murderers everywhere, and why do we need to just focus on this particular one? Why? Because Sankarcharya is involved??? He is a human first anyway, isn't it? So let's focus on the one committed by army or maoists in rural nepali village, instead.

Sorry guys but I have not even what you all have written.I just want to say this guy is guilty of murder so who cares he is hindu pr christian priest; he should be punish for his crime.He being a high priest with money and power does give him immunity from the law.

We cannot be compared to "Shankaracharya". Not on the grounds that he is more intelligent or has supernatural power, but he is an icon. He has followers who worship him as God . So if he is accused of a murder, it definitely should be highlighted as much as possible. It should be done not because other murders are unimportant but highlighting the possible crime by Shankaracharya has benefits. People might get cautious and think before they follow any baba's or guru's. People might think again before joining a religious politicial party. OR on the negative side people might flip out cause he is what they have being believing blindly. I am really impressed by Tamil Nadu's police department. I think that was a very daring work. Even though he is acquitted, and he was innocent to begin with, boy I am happy. It reminds everyone that such Guru's are also under some constitution that governs normal people like you and me. I wish somebody interviewed him, cause then we will be able to see if he is really divine or not. One of the prabachans I heard said that such Guru's are not affected by anything, and nomatter what anybody does to them they are still filled with love and affection like before for every living being and that they have overcome this Maya of the world. Lets wait and see.

Yatri_freewoman, I completely agree with you. We cannot be compared with "Shankaracharya", like you've said. Comapring a murdered with non-murderers is like comparing apple with orange.

if that dick shankarcharya has killed anybody then may the indian court put him in jail for life or execute him.them all bastards the leaders of every religion most of them are freaking corrupt freaks.in the name of god ,them alll loot money.
buddhism is totally commercial now a days.
hinduism,pasupati nath and the bhattas of there show how it is.i read on "nepal" a priest from some holy gufa in nepal was complaining he gets no money.live in a gufa and a preist and complaining he gets no money .sick bastar.
islam, we all know what the religious leaders do.
christianity, ohh the biggest looters in the name of church.
sai baba oh welll a total facker.
lets see,like the extreme islamist there are these extreme hinduist in india lets see how they react.... one name springs up ,,shiva sena and sankaracharya is some dick related to mahadev.

Karmapa
Murder is a crime against humanity. Everything after that including religious aspect are just secondary. The way you are posting, it seems you're making religion the first thing and it shouldn't be. Read my last posting again and again..until it becomes clear to you what my point is..The point is, don't be shocked someone in such high power committed or is being linked to a crime. Be shocked that it was a murder first.

Well guys, there is big politics going on under the umbrella of Congress. No body knows about the crime of shankarcharya utill proven, but if Government wants him to be used for thier political will they will do it and they are doing it.

You see there are many high powered people who are linked with many many crimes (well.. many politicians in Nepal have killed many people in front of mass, believe me I know), or you can have an example of Paras. But untill governmont is not strong it cannot do anything, even if government is strong it will only punish them if it is helping them to keep thier motives on.

So , whatever crme these gurus do, they should make goverment on thier side to survive otherwise they will be caught for any one of thier crimes.

Look at Sai baba, he molested many little kids, but he is pouring money to politicians and many other stuff, he is still ok. but someday some body will get him.

I hate politics.

turbine, ok i concede that i should not be shocked about this turn of event because humans make mistakes. and i am not. but the point i have been unsuccessfully trying to drive home is: do you honestly believe this 'murder' was a 'mistake' ? i see a big disconnect here.

i'm not trying to absolve sankaracharya at all. hell, if you ask me, if he is guilty i think he should be put on a 'shuli', poetic justice vedic style. but that's for the court to decide if it finds him guilty. all i'm doing is wondering why Turbine is even using the word 'human mistake' in relation to a case that involves cold murder?

& hurray, i have heard that 'he is a human first' line one too many times. i do not take comfort in cliches like that. god knows what sankaracharya is first, or what he is last. but i think right now, sankaracharya is an alleged murderer first and foremost. enuf said.

Karmapa,

I'm sorry that you still don't see the point. Well sorry I can't do anything about arrogance or ignorance. Once again the point is you started this thread regarding a Sankaracharya in connection about a murder.. That's the whole point. Had you started a thread saying a human was slain, that's something to consider. Your whole focus was on the Sankaracharya. Did you even mention the name of the person that was slain? The saying about humans making mistakes is not my point..once again the point, we should focus on humanity first, not the position that the alleged killers hold..If you still don't get it, then stop responding to me..I don't know how blunt I can be about this.

Hope someone here in Sajha has taken the time to go through this whole thread and see the point I'm trying to bring across..

I guess thi scase will be dismissed by under table money. Don't worry guys.

Turbine, you wrote: <>

Well my point is u are implying through your logic that aside from being Hitler, he is a human being and humans are bound to make mistakes (no matter that he killed 6 million jews), aside from being Stalin, Stalin is a human being and he is bound to make mistakes, aside from being Pol Pot, Pol Pot is a human being and human beings are bound to make mistakes...

As per your logic, genocide or murder was a mistake...even though it is usually planned premeditated.

Hitler, Stalin and Pol Pot and molesting priests will surely love you for being their spokeperson. Next time somebody murders you, you can say "well, my killer is after all a human being, and human being makes mistakes', from your grave or wherever. When a pujari molests your kids, you can say "Well he is human first and foremost, and humans are bound to make mistakes."

I think I'm beginning to see your perverse reasoning. I like it, in fact. Thanks!

Ciao,
-Karmapa

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Turbine you wrote:

MY WAY OF THINKING IS, ASIDES FROM BEING A SANKARCHARYA,
HE IS A HUMAN BEING AND HUMANS ARE BOUND TO MAKE MISTAKE.
YOU HEAR ABOUT PRIESTS MOLESTING BOYS IN THE NEWS HERE
ALL THE TIME. THEY ARE ALSO RELIGIOUS PEOPLE BUT IN THE
END THEY ARE HUMAN AND EVERY HUMAN IN THEIR LIFE TIME
WILL MAKE SOME SORT OF MISTAKE OR MISTAKES..

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u are implying through your logic that aside
from being Hitler, Hitler is a human being and humans are
bound to make mistakes (no matter that he killed 6
million jews), aside from being Stalin, Stalin is a human
being and he is bound to make mistakes, aside from being
Pol Pot, Pol Pot is a human being and human beings are
bound to make mistakes...

As per your logic, genocide or murder was a
mistake...even though it is usually planned or
premeditated.


Hitler, Stalin and Pol Pot and molesting priests will
surely love you for acting like their defense lawyer.
Next time somebody murders you, you can say "well, my
killer is after all a human being, and human being makes
mistakes', from your grave or wherever. When a pujari
molests your kids, you can say "Well this pujari is human
first and foremost, and humans are bound to make
mistakes."

I think I'm beginning to see your perverse reasoning.
I like it, in fact. Well that's an understatement. I love it.
Thanks for enlightening an "arrogant and ignorant" [to
quote you] me.


-Karmapa

Karmapa,

Do you even read what somebody writes or do you just start baffling? Once again, I certainly can't do anything about arrogance or ignorance which you seem to carry both of. The point.....Read this one carefully.. If you can't read, get a tutor please.. The point is, why do we make big deals about people in power committing some crime? Especially a murder which is a crime against humanity first. Races, Religion, sex, background, every one of those are secondary. Once again, Murder is a crime against humanity.. Be shocked that someone was killed.. You didn't even bother to mention the deceased.. Get the point now? When I said "humans make mistake", that was not an excuse or forgiveness of any kind. But a mere statement. When you started this thread, it seems you're more focused on a Sankarachary being linked to a crime, not that a human committed a crime against another human.

I'm serious when I say, If you don't see what I'm writing, don't fu*king write back.. got it..Damn..Let it go already if you just want to stick to your own opinion....

Turbine, you wrote:

"DON'T F**CKING WRITE BACK!"

Seriously this sounds like the last pistol shot of a dying man before he
hits the ground.

Oops, sorry folks, I'm only 'a human being and I make mistakes
too.'

;-)

Karmapa

Karmapa,
You and Turbine are probably saying the same thing. But when I first read your comment about Sankaracharya committing a murder, it sounded like, he was so righteous to be blamed for such a crime, or it was something incomprehensible that such a man would commit such a deed. But later on while reading your further comments, I concluded that you, Turbine and I all come to the same conclusion on this topic. For you to go on babbling on Turbine is quite ignorant, if not stupid. Like he has advised you earlier, please re-read what he's trying to say.

Hurray,

Thank your for your comments. At least now I see people do read what I wrote and they can also get an understanding of what I'm trying to say. Thank you..

Karmapa,

All I see you do is repeat my lines back to me. I don't see you answering my question. When you started this thread, why did you make such a big deal about a Sankaracharya being linked to a murder? Seems to me that for you, religion comes first then humanity.

Hurray, was it you whose ' he is a human first and foremost' cliche I dismissed?
Explains your message. Hurray reaches out to soothe Turbine's bruises or broken turbines. Turbine reciprocates. I'm touched and misty-eyed.

MISERY LOVES COMPANY

I've seen this movie one too many times.

Ciao.
(my parting shot).
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Karmapa,

Once again you manage to sway away from my question to you.
You wrote.......... "Seriously this sounds like the last pistol shot of a dying man before he hits the ground".

You know this gun still has lots of bullet in it. But there is no point shooting at someone who is already dead and can't even respond back to what is being asked of him..

Guys!
It seems more than discussing the topic, we are discussing personal issues of how we look at the topic. we all know humans make mistake and that sankaracharya is a human too. and we are also shocked that heinous act of murder happened somewhere in the world. but besides being just a simple human being sankaracharya holds a position and i guess the word sankaracharya itself makes it clear that it is a position assigned to a human being. So when we talk about sankaracharya being tried for murder we are simply not discussin an unfortunate incident of murder by a human being, but a murder possibly committed by someone in that big of a position. Do you guys think its the same case if the a government official of, say france, said something terrible about Nepal and if some ordinary french person said the same thing about our country. Though the things said are exactly same I am sure we will be more angry if it comes from an official's mouth than from an ordinary person because the official person in some respect signifies french government but the ordinary person doesnot. the point I am trying to get at is sankaracharya represents a position and not only a normal human being.

Karmapa,
The reason why I was trying to explain what Turbine said since you don't seem to get it at all is because you don't seem to get it at all. All I see you doing here is subconsciously agreering with Turbine while going on and on about how you differ from Turbine's points. I just see you as someone banging his head on the wall again and again and again like an idiot.